Pope Vigilius arrested for believing in reincarnation!

I just found one of the most amazing writings explaining how the church lurched off in a terrible direction in the sixth century.

Then again, I guess the prophecy by Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua had to be fulfilled:

John 9:4

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http://reluctant-messenger.com/aquarian_gospel.htm?goback=.gde_93412_member_210829435

 

John 9:2

How could the disciples believe in a man sinning before being born, if the human soul or spirit did not exist previous to our birth?????


Matthew 17:11
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The Jewish teachings on some form of reincarnation are not the same as those of Hinduism or Buddhism. In Judaism a version of Miss Anne Frank is alive and well in heaven and only a part of her has came back to us within Ms. Barbro Karlen formerly of Sweden.

If a Chassidic Jew were to become Messianic he would tend to think that Elijah is in heaven, John the Baptist is in heaven and only a part of Elijah/John the Baptist has been given in the subconscious memories of somebody perhaps living in our time period???!!

Dr. Walter Semkiw would not casually write such a positive article regarding this Anne Frank/Barbro Karlen case unless he was profoundly impressed!

http://www.iisis.net/index.php?page=semkiw-anne-frank-barbro-karlen-reincarnation-past-life

 

i may/may not read this later

but i would never get my info on the Catholic Church

from anyone off the i-net

the Cahtolic Church is the most LIED about thing that ever existed in the world..

who would know better than a well infrmed, catechized, practicing, erudite Catholic such as myself?

 

Well you are on the internet so I guess I'll take your advice and not believe anything you post regardless of the links you provide since they too will be on the internet.

In fact I have to wonder considering your stance why you are even on the internet talking about the Catholic Church.

 

It's a really interesting example of the secular state using religion to bolster and protect its power. I suspect this and other events at about or just before this time sowed the seeds of the perversion of Yeshuah's teachings.

 

But what would you think of a movement to get Pope Vigilius canonized as a saint if you had a dream in which Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua told you that if the church would do this then the unnecessary deaths of one billion human beings could be prevented?

Even Oskar Schindler was willing to compromise with standards that many deeply religious people would have advised him to do....in order to save lives!!!

 

It took me a long time Diuretic....but I totally agree with you!!!!

The Dr. Ian Stevenson research on birthmarks is pretty amazing!!!

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation01.html
Birthmarks and Birth Defects Corresponding to Wounds on Deceased Persons

 

I think life is much more amazing and convoluted than we can possibly know.
A reoccurring episode of deja vu convinced me of that long ago
as there is no rational way to explain an ordinary unexceptional moment of my life coming back to me over and over long before I experienced that moment in real life.

On top of that my father (an abusive man by today's standards who never even finished school) told me how all matter in this world viabrates at a certain frequency and death was just a transition to another frequency and in another dimension. Where did this man get this notion?

I have no doubt reincarnation may be very real and it explains why we hate or love certain people (we may have known before) and how some children seem to have innate talents and interests brought from former life times.
Did Jesus hint at reincarnation? It would seem as a spiritual adept he might well have dwelled on the subject himself.

 

It seems that God is determined to ensure that we become humble!

Pride is what caused a great covering cherub to fall and so from now on....nobody makes it into heaven unless they have allowed the Holy Spirit to make humility a true and deep part of their character!!!


Christian Andreason, from chapter 5 of his NDE book....

...a summary of his amazing NDE can be viewed here:

http://www.near-death.com/andreason.html

 

For the record, although it would be difficult for me to be part of a specific religious organization I have thought seriously about becoming Catholic. I find that the level of humility among Catholics, and openness to such information as is in NDE accounts is the highest among any of the large organized churches!

I would want to see some movement/progress toward the ancient teachings regarding reincarnation though to happen first....because I don't absolutely desperately need any group to work with! In my opinion the implications of the Dr. Ian Stevenson, Helen Wambach Ph. D., and Dr. Chet Snow research has so much to do with attaining genuine peace on earth that there is no point in my attempting to fit in with any organization that is still in a place where they do not openly promote this research!

For the record I went far enough in the counselling process to get past the "transmutation" miracle. That fits very well with the Hans Jenny research....and the power given to humans to speak....and it is done!!!!

http://www.sidroth.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6301&news_iv_ctrl=1082

www.songofisrael.com.

Lots of non-religious websites and videos exist online related to the Hans Jenny research!

 

Here is a proposal I put forward a few years ago regarding how the Vatican may well be in the best position of any large organization to initiate a Vatican Currency Unit, and combine it with what would amount to little less than a Unified Theory of Modern World Problems?!


http://greendesertstoreducecarbon.blogspot.ca

Is Pope Benedict XVI In The Best Position to Effectively Combat Climate Change?
Homily for January 17, 2010 by Dennis Tate. Assignment #2 for MNST 130 class at St. Francis Xavier University.

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cell division/procreation is the reincarnation in actuality of a life.

But a reincarnation can exist, by what a life does. For example: knowledge evolves. So the evolving concept was learned, then applied to another living process in my usage. That is a reincarnation.

But the idea that a buddhe live a generation, dies and then awakens in another memoris intact, is crap, Memories are affixed upon living cells (glial). See alzheimers to sustain that fact.

 

Have you researched the Anne Frank/Barbro Karlen case?

Even Chassidic Rabbi Yonassan Gershom was impressed!

http://www.pinenet.com/~rooster/karlen-1.html

(Rabbi Yonassan Gershom)

 

Yes....it definitely is more difficult to control a group of people if they are open to teachings such as this:


http://www.near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation04.html#a09

 

Here are some more interesting statistics on the subject of reincarnation. Has Pope Vigilius ever been canonized as a saint?

.ourcuriousworld.com/ReinEvidences.htm

 

It's always encouraging to see secular authority used to enforce a set of religious views, huh? You know they're right because they have authority, and authority is handed down to them by God. They said so.

 

Render unto Caesar...

 

I do believe that the time is coming when the Creator will intervene and cause cream....as opposed to some other substance to rise to the top positions of influence in politics, business, education and medicine!

For the moment though it is astonishing how the leadership of powerful organizations, even in North America are sticking up for technology and methods that are obviously obsolete.

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...-suspect-natural-cures-cancer-suppressed.html

 

Once I found out from the Helen Wambach Ph. D. study and the Dr. Ian Stevenson research that all the political leaders here in Canada and around the world are probably my great, great, great, great.....grandsons and granddaughters from one or more of my probable past lives....I find myself much more motivated to pray for them to be given wisdom and guided to do what is ethical so that they have a highly positive NDE when they finally meet their Creator!!!

Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.


1Ti 2:1 ¶ I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, [and] giving of thanks, be made for all men;
For kings, and [for] all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

 

I wonder has this discussion forum evolved in it take on this topic since 2013?

 

As often happens with these questionnaires, the choices don't really cover the possibilities. First, many of the early Christians did indeed believe in reincarnation. Origen was a significant leader of the early Christian church and he strongly supported the idea that Jesus taught reincarnation. The Church hierarchy had a deadly internal conflict between those who supported Jesus' teachings on reincarnation and those who opposed them. It was more a political than religious conflict, but the winners (opposing reincarnation) murdered the losers afterward, then went so far as to excommunicate Orgen posthumously and declare him a "heretic." Modern scholars have found evidence that Jesus did indeed teach reincarnation. They have also found evidence that Jesus himself lived in India between his 14th and 28th years, and became a recognized religious guru (holy man/teacher) there. A contemporary written record to that effect was discovered in a Tibetan monastery in the 1890's. At any rate, Jesus' teachings share much in common with ancient Indian scriptures called the "Vedas."

There's a growing collection of convincing evidence that reincarnation is real, and that all of us are participants. Two powerful, convincing books I recommend to anyone exploring this intriguing topic as "must reads," are: Soul Survivor, by Bruce and Andrea Leininger, and The Boy Who Knew Too Much, by Kathy Byrd. Both of these books are fascinating reads coupled with excellent research details.

 

Regardless of whether you believe in reincarnation or not, you DO reincarnate. There's growing evidence to back up this fact.

 

The world's population is in excess of 7 Billion people. If everyone reincarnates then people in the past now have multiple bodies.

 

Near Death Experiencers and those reporting personal between lives experiences while under hypnosis, both describe the spirit world as a place populated by vast multitudes of spiritual beings beyond comprehension. Some have noted that the population in the spirit world is far greater than the population on Earth. It is possible that our spiritual entities that reincarnate here, may also incarnate on other physical planets as well. Returnees from those planets could be a continuing supply of potential spiritual incarnates here. Also, there are reports in the afterlife research domain that a soul or spiritual Entity, is not necessarily limited to having a single incarnation at any given time. As an Entity develops and matures it can have several incarnations in different time and/or geographical locations simultaneously. That could account for the discrepancy you mentioned above as well. My own research opens another possibility I've not seen discussed in the literature except by one source, and that one in a somewhat fuzzy, inconclusive way. It's possible that when our primary soul Entity sends a portion of itself (or a portion of its own conscious energy) to incarnate on Earth (or anywhere else), the spiritual segment sent lives its incarnation, then returns to the spirit world as a newly independent Entity, with all the memories shared with it's source Entity up to the time of its physical death. But after its return, it begins incarnating as a new, fully developed Entity completely separate from its source Entity. Now both Entities continue developing independently as they each follow their own separate reincarnatal paths; giving birth to additional new Entities every time they reincarnate. This system of reincarnation could also account for the additional Entities necessary for the growing populations of Earth over time.