Pot should be nationally legaized (with one caveat)

This being that any person/s, jointly and severally, who provides, at any point in the chain of cultivation or distribution, by sale, co-use or gift, any cannabis product which induces psychosis or causes any other incapacitation or medical emergency, shall be held liable for the cost of treating all victim injuries for the duration of the victim's life.

Otherwise, I'm fine with decriminalization and medical use, but not legalization.

Cannabis is an incredibly powerful and potentially very dangerous drug which I've personally seen create havoc and misery in countless lives

Thoughts?

 

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These dam magic cookies...

 

Only if you make the same law for alcohol.

 

should the same laws apply to alchol? if some one drinks till they black out and beats their wife, sue the one that sold and made the alcohol?

if someone drinks and falls down the stairs, sue the maker of the alcohol?

 

Let the states experiment with this idea and figure out what works and what does not before finalizing something in Congress

 

Not entirely disagreeing re: liability, but is alcohol known to trigger psychosis?

 

It's a problem I know.

I think a difference between alcohol and pot is that the pitfalls of the former are well publicized, but there's so much pro-pot, "pot is harmless" cheerleading going on now that I think there's a lot more potential risk to innocents.

 

There's so much well rounded information filled with positivity out there now, because many of us who have consumed cannabis for multiple decades, are in positions to make reality understood...& outside of legal issues caused simply by possession of that evil plant,- most of us are successful, motivated, & just "Everyday People".

Then you see the reality on the ground, where relaxed legislation has taken place, & you realize Reefer Madness, is simply Bullshit.

And yes, let me tell you, as a former HEAVY drinker, Alcohol is much more devastating.

 

I see devastation caused by both, Citizen.

One of my worries is the cheerleading I mentioned; I've known people whose lives have been destroyed by both (alcohol alone and pot alone I mean), but the pro-pot noise drowns out the reality of how dangerous a drug it is.

If it can be cultivated into much safer, widely available strains, my objections would diminish.

 

Absolutely. And its far more addictive and damaging.

 

In casual use, or in heavy consumption and/or withdrawal?

I'll disagree on addictiveness, and we don't have sufficient data on damage caused by pot (beyond psychosis, impairment, paranoia, etc.), though I suspect you may be right on that point.

 

I get where you're coming from, I've been in this fight, one way or another, for 37+ years.

I'm more a decriminalization guy.... Legal is fine, whatever, State's rights & all.

Reschedule cannabis, open more medicinal options etc..

Anyway, my point being, at least the discussion is more open & honest.

You have to excuse some of the exuberant things proponents put out there.


We've been fighting a long time.

Ciao for now.

 

I'm not an expert on alcohol psychosis, but a quick perusal is that it's cause by excessive amounts or withdrawal. As to damage, I suppose you can get lung cancer if you smoke a lot of the stuff, but alcohol abuse wreaks havoc on your organs. As to addiction, you can become physically (as well as mentally) addicted to alcohol and suffer from reaction (d.t.s) on withdrawal. I'm not away of any such physical addiction with marijuana, though you can become mentally addicted to it like you can just about anything else. Like political forum boards.

 

The problem with such partial legalization is that while it lets users off the hook, you are punishing providers. And thus the profit motive for crime, gangs, corruption, abuse, lack of taxation, lack of regulation, and the requirement of a greater police state.

While marijuana is certainly susceptible to abuse, the question is whether the negative social consequences of prohibition are greater. In my mind they are.

 

sure, so remove all federal laws making it illegal so states can decide....

no reason for it to be illegal at a federal level, time to end the war on drugs

federal laws are deciding for the states, so if you support states rights, you support ending all federal laws banning it... right?

 

I think most would agree that Alcohol is more addictive then marijuana and causes more harm

but the war on drugs cause more harm then either of them

 

I just watched a pro alcohol commercial on tv... seems that is where the cheer-leading is, how many die of Alcohol each year, now Marijuana? we do know these facts...

 

Lol...Apply your same level of hysteria to alcohol, fast food and guns and we may have something to discuss.

 

I don't see pot as being that powerful or dangerous, although I agree that driving with it in one's system can cause problems.

 

So why should this not be the case with all the drugs that are currently out on the market? All drugs have potential side effect, which for a small minority might be major. Let's look at vaporized marajuana. It has been used to calm the physical effects of Parkinson's and other ailments. This effect is one of the reasons I have always felt that marajuana should be legal. So is it your position that those who create this product of the cannibis plant should be held responsible and liable if a person tries the treatment for the first time and has a severe negative reaction?

 

This is before you look at all of the other products that can come from this single plant. The fibers are good for rope and clothes. There is all sorts of actual medical uses that can be derived from this plant. My wife gets migraines and marajuana is the one thing that can relieve the pain without putting her into a stupor. She would probably do better if she could legally get the vaporized form.

 

everyone has their favorite vice I suppose.

 

Part of the problem has been the ban on it has stymied research here in the US. It has been to the point where the government would not even allow the use of marajuana for research. Public objection was enough to prevent it.

 

It is not exactly known for increasing ones decision making capabilities or maturing past adolescence.

 

Nothing used in such a recreational method would be. However, marajuana does indeed have many actual medical uses, as well as uses besides consumption.