Pot should remain illegal

The article and argument of the OP could be a good argument except that alcohol is far more dangerous IMO and the anti pot crowd does not seem to care. Now if the OP comes out and says that alcohol should be made illegal then I would take the OP's position more seriously.

 

Smoke and mirrors! Can you not stay on topic or must you stray because you got nothing?

 

The problem is more with our entitlement system than the pot. For people to truly be free they must be free to choose and be free to not get any government assistance when they choose to not get a job because they can not pass a drug test.

 

and it was illegal once and all it did was create crime... it did not stop people from drinking, just made it a crime for responsible people to do so

 

I was replying to your post about over-eating, ect... lol, practice what you preach

 

I agree but where do you draw the line? As I said illegal until they can fix the entitlement system.

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Damnit my reply was to another post!!!!! Ahh lets just forget it

 

You can only do so much to legislate stupidity. I mean I have heard of kids getting run over while acting out a scene from a movie... others setting fire because they watched Beavis & Butthead. I use to be a civilian facilitator in a drug and alcohol program at a State prison and I could tell you some stories about what some of these guys did while drunk or crimes they committed to get money to get drunk. You know how many stories I can tell you about pot smokers who wind up in prison due to pot? None!

I smoked pot back in the 80's and all it did was give the munchies and make me want to watch TV... alcohol on the other hand wound me up in jail twice. I am living proof that people can do some incredible stupid things while drunk.

 

Weed is a tax source if legalized. It's working well in Colorado and Washington and is a brand new industry essentially that's been forbidden for lawful citizens to engage in. It's dumb to prohibit it. Never forget alcohol prohibition in this country. That resulted in the rise of the mob as well as dozens of deaths due to poor manufacturing standards and lack of access to needed materials and facilities to create alcoholic beverages that were within safe limits and didn't contain straight up poison.

Keeping pot illegal is costing us more than legalizing it will from lives lost to fighting cartels to housing people imprisoned for non-violent crimes of possession. Legalizing it would eliminate the tax required to keep the prisoners who did nothing but smoke a jay captive and generate new taxes at the same time.

As well, in order to overdose on pot, you'd need to eat approximately 1 ton in 15 minutes for any of the active ingredients in pot to be life threatening, which is impossible. Smoking it, you'd have to smoke double that in the same amount of time. Humanly impossible.

It's not dangerous, it's got medicinal value, it costs society lives and money to prohibit it.

No one will make you smoke it but your generalization of 'it makes people lazy and stupid' could be said about anything and already has been said about everything from TV to videogames, to alcohol (as you said yourself), etc.

Generalizing against something you don't like isn't being objective. We get it, you don't like pot and you wouldn't want your kids smoking it. However, your personal views go against the empirical evidence that legalizing it would have far more benefits to society than having it illegal has. We see what legalizing it and having it illegal in this country looks like at the same time and have seen the effects of making it illegal for over 30 years. It's time to just accept the fact that despite your personal protests, we're better off just letting it be freely consumed while regulated.

 

but your basis of making pot illegal is 'subsidies' right? So you have no problem with a high-rolling lawyer smoking some pot on his vacation then, right? And you'd have no issue with it being used if someone doesn't get 'subsidies'?

See my problem with this kind of reason is that there needs to be some kind of connection, a direct one.

 

There is a bigger picture here and it is about national security and productivity.

 

Some of the most creative and productive minds in history have smoked weed at least once. We have had 2 presidents that smoked weed. Apparently it's not as bad as you say if you can achieve the highest office in the land after having smoked a couple of doobies.

 

My issues are economical. It has been proven that pot hurts productivity and retards brain function. This is not the same in every person though and honestly I have smoked it and it never did anything for me.

So most smokers will be held back if it is legalized which hurts national productivity. Productivity down then profits down and taxes up because we need to pay our bills. Because mant of these people will remain at the low end of the payt scale they will receive benefits and they will still smoke pot...

 

Source? Aside from "I made up some bull(*)(*)(*)(*)"?

 

you do know it cost more to fund your war on drugs right... the war on drugs is a waste of money and it doesn't even accomplish the goal it set out to accomplish

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two that admitted it anyways... 9 out of 10 Americans have tried weed, most will lie about it when asked though

 

And you have stumbled upon a HUGE reason that people's ambitions, careers, and lives go up in smoke. THE DRUG TESTS AND CHARGES. I believe that these 2 have just as much impact on ruining ambition as do the effects of smoking marijuana. I believe they have even more impact, and that these 2 society rules are what is skewing the numbers on employment in regard to those who smoke pot. You get rid of these rules, and in 20 years, you no longer have much of a correlation with being unemployed and smoking pot.

 

Any national security issues can be addressed by making it legal and taxing it and the productivity argument is moot when you limit it to pot but ignore alcohol. Lots of lazy drunks out there sucking off the system also... what about them? Why are you so singularly focused on pot? You sound biased to me.

So does alcohol.

Really? Please explain your logic here? I personally know a man who makes 6 figures a year in a high level management position that takes the lead on projects around the 100 million $$$ mark... and has been known to smoke pot from time to time... and perhaps even more often than that. Heck in the 80's he smoked it more than I and used IV drugs! How do you explain his success?

 

It's cheaper than prison.

 

[video=youtube;yJJRVleE3_Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJJRVleE3_Q[/video]

The above vid just shows how silly it is to talk of pot and its limiting of ability while ignoring the even worse effects of alcohol. This vid mimics my experience with alcohol and pot.

 

Only a "stupid and weak minded" person would post something so absurd....

Some pot smokers....

1) Richard Branson

2)Aaron Sorkin

3)Michael Phelps

4)Michael Bloomberg

5)Ted Turner

6)Montel Williams

7)Stephen King


And several million other well adjusted successful people in all walks of life.

 

well, *ahem* "Don't tread on me."

 

I think a lot of people make errors in comparing alcohol to pot, usually in favor of pot. The error is in making no real attempt at equivalence. So people show "hey, this guy smoked a blunt" vs. "This guy did ten shots." The comparison is between someone who is flat out drunk to someone that's just high. It'd be like comparing "this guy had 1 beer" and "this guy smoked a bowl."

The comparisons made are usually not valid imo. But the video was entertaining.

 

The vid is more an unscientific proof of concept that just happens to mirror my personal experience with the two substances and I suspect experiences will vary by user. When I use to be a partier I held my liquor well but did some stupid things drunk that got me in trouble with the law. Pot on the other hand hit me harder than the guy in the video but it never caused me any trouble... and no hangover!

 

Pot head and guy who smokes from time to time are not the same thing.

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Read the OP and the link.

 

We need to scale a\back that joke of a war. We either fight it or leave it.

 

Treatment is cheaper than enforcement, you will pay less regardless if you legalize it now.