Pro-Abortion Extremism in the U.S.

There are fanatics on both sides. That is a strong argument for never allowing beliefs to be forced on others through laws. What I think you should or shouldn't do with your body should never matter.

 

Please stop denying realty. Check out the statistics from the CDC.

This is of course completely false. I favor the same protections for unborn babies whether the mother is black or white.

Pro-abortion fanatics will be sad to hear that the new restrictions on the abortion industry are protecting women and decreasing the number of abortions.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/439739/ohio-abortion-restrictions-benefit-womens-health

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/pro-life-laws-are-reducing-the-abortion-rate

Normal people will be happy to see so many unborn babies being saved.

Is killing your children empowerment?! Clear-thinking peopel understand that abortion is a symptom of disempowerment. Most women cherish their children. Abortion occurs when women are lied to and otherwise disempowered by the elite.

Of course the abortion-lovers truly hate women. Twisted individuals rape women and force them to get an abortion.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinio...-history-of-sexual-abuse-and-forced-abortions

 

For the best in fake news go to lifesitenews

 

Earlier you scoffed at Lifesitenews, but then you were unable to support your belief that unborn babies are brain dead until 21 weeks.

Can you provide proof that unborn babies are brain dead until 21 weeks?

Are you yourself promoting fake news?

 

I could care less what you believe. Abortion is legal in every state, city, county, town, neigh or ood and street in the US. You lost this war 40 years ago

 

You seem angry because you can't back up your earlier statement.

Actually the pro-abortion nuts are losing.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybe...majority-favor-abortion-restrictions-n2434791

Great news for women and their babies!



http://www.lifenews.com/2016/12/27/...fe-laws-in-2016-to-save-babies-from-abortion/

If you are going to criticize prolifers, maybe you should be more specific. If you say "prolifers always lie" you just sound closed-minded.

 

Angry? We won! Over 40 years ago. You can't outlaw abortion in a single town. Lol

 

Millions of dead unborn babies is winning??

Societies that kill their unborn babies will be replaced by societies that don't. Pro-abortion societies lose in the end.

Sorry to tell you the abortion rate has been falling in the U.S.

 

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Why has the abortion rate been falling?

 

FoxHastings : So there's no black people left !!!??? What?! BOY! Will they be surprised to know you think they've been "decimated"....


(of course, NO answer )

If you are not a racist why do you keep insisting black women were FORCED to get abortions.

And keep bringing up black statistics?


YOU made RACE AN ISSUE.

And people who believe women are human beings with the same rights as everyone else, something YOU DENY and HATE, will keep fighting to preserve these rights from the venomous attacks by religious control freaks misogynists who think the earth is flat and science doesn't exist....

As you've been told several times but refuse to acknowledge
having the right to your own body is empowerment...and YOU want to take that right away from women...

No "children" are killed in abortion..

Is making women no more than BROODSTOCK, like YOU want to do, EMPOWERING THEM?

YOU HAVE NEVER SAID WHAT THOSE "LIES" ARE....SO THEY DO NOT EXIST.

That last bit is so "LIEnews"-laughable and stupid it doesn't need a response...

 

They haven't so far so what do you base that statement on????


A question an honest non-lying person could answer ...


and address posts # 23, 24, and 25, all of which you ignore.

 

Yep. It's great! You can call them babies or humans or gods little precious gifts. We get to kill em dead and that is a great thing if that is the woman's choice. Abortion is great.

 

You seem to be passionate about your position. I happen to agree that abortion is wrong; I just can't get passed telling a free person what they can and can't do with their body. So for the sake of discussion, how would you address the issues that would go along with laws against abortion:

1. The thousands of unwanted children on top of those we have now.
2. Black Market abortions where young ladies are not given the same options as in a clinic. (Such as adoption)
3. Easily obtained abortion drugs.
4. Medical tourism.
5. Young ladies dying from infection afraid to seek medical attention.

Why is the abortion rate falling when it is still legal? Doesn't that work against your argument of making laws against it?

 

Good. Why do you think that?

Of course the unborn baby should be considered. You don't want to strip them of rights do you?

Many people are waiting to adopt!

This seems like a weak argument.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/25367/walsh-back-alley-abortion-argument-insane-there-matt-walsh

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324493704578429431398819380

No, the link I provided suggests that the new restrictions reduce the number of abortions.

 

Many women are coerced into getting an abortion: http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/18/how-many-women-are-pressured-into-abortions/

The pro-abortion nuts don't mind as long as they get more abortions.

 

Temporary discomfort and stretch marks dont make good reasons to risk taking lives.
The last three would be good arguments as to why aborting may be considered. A life for a possible life doesnt make for a fair trade.

I suggest both sides on the prochoice and prolife consider financing research into
. It was the best solution I could come up with. It would be preferable that people just be responsible human beings but I have to learn to accept the reality.

 

A fetus has no rights under the Law of the Land ergo it is impossible to take away what they don't have.

 

PERFECT!

The perfect answer that Anti-Women/Anti-Choicer's usually (tritely) give.

They Denigrate everything women go through, what their own MOTHER'S went through and term it "discomfort and stretch marks""

NOTE: EVERY Anti-Woman/Anti-Choice MISOGYNIST has gone through that horrific list of side effects of pregnancy and IGNORED (a form of IGNORANCE) everything but "stretch marks"", that seems to be their favorite thing! Is it because it's skin or they have weird fetishes or what?!!


This WHOLE big list and they denigrate and minimize what women go through....that HAS to be a disease in itself!

Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:

• exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
• altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
• nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
• heartburn and indigestion
• constipation
• weight gain
• dizziness and light-headedness
• bloating, swelling, fluid retention
• hemmorhoids
• abdominal cramps
• yeast infections
• congested, bloody nose
• acne and mild skin disorders
• skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
• mild to severe backache and strain
• increased headaches
• difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
• increased urination and incontinence
• bleeding gums
• pica
• breast pain and discharge
• swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint paininfection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
  (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
• extreme pain on delivery
• hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
• continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)

Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:

• stretch marks (worse in younger women)
• loose skin
• permanent weight gain or redistribution
• abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
• pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life -- aka prolapsed utuerus, the malady sometimes badly fixed by the transvaginal mesh)
• changes to breasts
• increased foot size
• varicose veins
• scarring from episiotomy or c-section
• other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
• increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
• loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)
• higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer's
• newer research indicates microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and mother (including with "unrelated" gestational surrogates)

Occasional complications and side effects:

• complications of episiotomy
• spousal/partner abuse
• hyperemesis gravidarum
• temporary and permanent injury to back
• severe scarring requiring later surgery
  (especially after additional pregnancies)
• dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
• pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
• eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
• gestational diabetes
• placenta previa
• anemia (which can be life-threatening)
• thrombocytopenic purpura
• severe cramping
• embolism (blood clots)
• medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
• diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
• mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
• serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
• hormonal imbalance
• ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
• broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
• hemorrhage and
• numerous other complications of delivery
• refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
• aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
• severe post-partum depression and psychosis
• research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
• research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
• research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease

Less common (but serious) complications:

• peripartum cardiomyopathy
• cardiopulmonary arrest
• magnesium toxicity
• severe hypoxemia/acidosis
• massive embolism
• increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
• molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease
  (like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
• malignant arrhythmia
• circulatory collapse
• placental abruption
• obstetric fistula

More permanent side effects:

• future infertility
• permanent disability
• death.

Who TF are YOU to decide that!??


Bet it really grinds your butt that women can decide for themselves ......is that painful for you??

Why? You haven't accepted reality so far

Oh, BTW, WHO is going to pay the BILLIONS it takes to grow all these fetuses in artificial wombs??

YOU?

The Mexicans?

The people who abort because they're too poor to have a kid ?


Taxpayers who already live in a country with too many people?

There's some "reality" for ya !

 

Many women are coerced into gestating and giving birth.


Anti-Choice/Anti-Women's Rights nuts don't mind as long as women are subjugated and treated like breeding animals ...

 

The fetus has no rights.

YOU want to strip women of their rights !!!!....and women are BORN actual persons with rights....and you do NOT want them to have rights, like slaves or animals..

NO, there are NOT enough people willing to adopt or there wouldn't be kids 'aging out" of the system.

Oh, I am sure women being injured and/or dying is a weak argument to you.

Fortunately so many more people than you believe women are human beings and have as much rights as you do.

Why should the number of abortions be reduced?

If the number of abortion performed equal the number of women who want an abortion, that's perfect.

 

You sure use a lot of white wall... I dont care what you think of me. I cannot live with myself if I were to support or let babies be killed because people dont want to make responsible choices.

Currently, people who adopt the babies pay for all the medical expenses. They would likely pay for this process as well. It would be even cheaper than the abortion for the mother because it would be completely covered and they would be able to change their mind while the baby is growing increasing their availability of choices.

Most of all it gives more options to women and helps women who cannot bear children but want to. Or women who want their own children but dont want to go through the birthing process. It also saves the lives of preemie babies. Anyone who does not support this does not actually care about woman's rights or the child's life. It would solve the issue for both sides.

It is already being done on animals so I would think it would be available within 50 years for human babies in their final term. It certainly will be available before there ever is resolution or a majority consensus on when abortion is okay and when it isnt.

 

Well, you're safe since no babies are killed in abortion.

Some people think it's very responsible to abort a fetus because they are too poor to raise a kid or just don't want one.
Their idea of responsibility is different than yours and yours does NOT rule the earth

Some Anti-Choicers on here have complained that adoption is already TOO expensive.......

and , the part you IGNORE is that since some kids in the system NEVER get adopted who would PAY FOR all these EXTRA kids?

Oh, NOW you like "choice" ....???

All that is done NOW.

Baloney.

No, because the good side still believes in women having the right to their own bodies.

So women now must what? Not get pregnant until your fairy tale becomes true?

Besides there IS a consensus on when abortion is OK, it's whenever a woman wants one.


BTW, nice cherry picking to leave out those inconvenient parts of the post of mine you quoted

 

Population control should be celebrated. The earth has far too many people.

Most choice advocates however do not "celebrate" abortion. Many do not personally like abortion but, they respect individual liberty.

There are many that do not personally like alcohol but they respect the rights and freedoms of others to drink alcohol.

The Pro Life movement is based in ignorance and fallacy combined with a lack of respect for individual liberty.

 

I get tired of the pro-choice vs pro-life distinctions. The only distinction that matters is when does a fetus become a person.

Population is more an issue undeveloped countries especially Islamic nations where the normal household is 4 to 8 children. 1st world countries have shrinking populations except for the immigrants who mix in and revitalize the birth rate.

 

The general consensus among the anti choice crowd is that a zygote is a person - a living human- a Homo sapiens.

I wish the the anti- choice side could engage in rational debate as then we could make laws that protect fetus's in the later stage of development ... when there is little controversy over whether or not the entity at that stage is actually a living human.

The idea that a zygote is a living human is abject nonsense according to the vast majority of subject matter experts ( Such as those in the relevant domains of Biology, Philosophy, Bioethics).