Probability Alien Life Watching Us Cannot be Determined

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  1. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why do you continuously ignore well documented and verified data that debunks the erroneous claims you make while continuing the Ancient Aliens recital of still more easily debunked information? Are you playing a game or are you really this ignorant?
     
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    Why do you constantly refer to ancient aliens, sounds like the TV show.
    When these were originally dated, everything had to be within the accepted norm, and that was established from religions.
    The problem you will never get past is your knowledge of machinery, and how things are built.
    Like Mamasaid, if you have no concept, of how this stuff is made, any answer is acceptable.


    BTW, This info was available long before ancient Aliens was even thought of.
    Just because they may latch onto one of the realities, does not mean they invented it.
     
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    The problem is that we have hard core evidence, cast in stone, of things that just should not exist.
    I started looking into this stuff in the 70's as a curious hobby, however we didn't have the internet back then.
    You had to go to a library, and hope they had what you were looking for.
    We in America weren't even aware of most of it, because it violated the religious norm.
    Now, just in the last 20 years, we have the internet and hundreds of sites, all over the world are at your fingertips.

    Hell, I remember in school, looking at pictures of how they built the pyramids, accepted then, and next subject.
    Now we know it's impossible to build sand ramps around it, and move 100 ton sculpted megaliths into place.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I use the "Ancient Aliens" analog because you bring up almost verbatim what the show does. The initial dates given for Puma Punku and Tiawanaku was in the 10 thousand year range but was adjusted as technology and discovery allowed until it is now around 500AD and the blocks do not seem to fit together as suggested, though they do indicate pre-fabrication
    https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4202
    Religions have little to do with the dating and never really have. My knowledge is all I have in this unless I want to just make things up as you seem to.
     
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    In bold above I think we do know...
     
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    Religions have a lot to do with dating.
    Remember the "scopes trial, of the 20,s. They lost because of religion.
    I am curious where you get the 500 AD.
    sounds like something they would post many, many, years ago.
    BTW, Even in 500 AD, they did not have the tech to make these.
    In fact, when the Spaniards discovered them on 1600 or so, they did not have the tech.

    Just curious, what did I make up.
     
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    Doesn't it seem illogical that an alien species can travel to Earth, something that today is not even in our wildest capabilities, and with all of their advancement just carve a few stones or help build a pyramid? That with all of their knowledge and technology they not only didn't do much but then just disappeared? And forget about that crap of 'don't interfere' because they were supposedly already here. Fact remains there is zero evidence of aliens or alien visits...
     
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    If you were following my posts, I am not claiming aliens. Many are, and that theory is as good as any other.
    I am claiming we went through something a long time ago, that has not been fully investigated.
    Actually much has been investigated, but the public is not ready for the answers.
     
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    Well we also have a theory of nuclear war thousands of years ago.
    Even Opemhimer, at the first nuke blast, commented it was not the first. Just the first in our time.
     
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    Sorry I don't have time to read past posts...so you believe we had an advanced civilization on Earth long ago and most all traces of it are gone...yet to be discovered...is this right? Assuming this could be true, I can understand why we don't have biological traces but an advanced ancient civilization didn't just live in tents...there would have been significant infrastructure made from indigenous materials, etc. that might remain today or at least the remnants of where roads and bridges and buildings, etc. were once located. Yes given enough time Earth's natural processes can erase lots of this but surely some would remain. I don't believe we're alone in the Universe, but to 'know' there are aliens or past cultures there must be unequivocal facts to support it...
     
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    I see no point in further discussion here.

    Have A Nice Day:)
     
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    But again we have no evidence to support this...
     
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    This is a point that I speak of also, is that there is no infrastructure of a previous civilization.
    In 10,000 years a Sherman tank, would probably turn into a pile of iron oxide, but stone is forever.
    The only building material, all over the world, was stone, and for some reason, cutting stone was very easy for these people.
     
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    That's correct, there is no evidence, or at least nothing that can be accepted as evidence.

    ie. the picture above is evidence, hard core evidence of advanced tech, that you can see and touch, it is real. but from where cannot be proven.


    But common sense says, why would stone age people even make something like that, thousands of precision cut stones, that fit together.
     
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    I think you'll find that cutting stone, or logging large trees, or whatever civil engineering endeavor might have been accomplished long ago, was never easy. Building a pyramid perhaps required tens of thousands of workers for decades...this was not easy! Over time individuals become quite accomplished building stuff because they had no other choices...brut force with hand tools and lots of time. Today we can't fathom this because we never had to think about it...
     
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    I agree, it was not easy, but look at that stone above, advanced tech was used to make it, and it's use alone, with angles and holes, is far more than stone age.
     
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    Another interesting point about Puma Punka, is it's destruction.
    How the fu-k did that happen, an explosion.
     
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    Because they knew how to do this, because they needed something better, because they wanted it badly...because they had labor and time...because there we no other distractions, because it was demanded to them by someone in power...
     
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    Co-mon.
    None of those answers apply.
    Look at what is needed to make that.

    If you have no concept of construction, then in your mind, any answer can suffice.
    However if you have worked with tools, you know that the piece above is impossible without a machine, in fact, several different machines.
     
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    I think it's simply that sometimes in history, we find people who can elevate themselves, having a higher skill in math or science or stone carving, etc. and these are the results. You won't find this stuff everywhere because the geniuses didn't exist everywhere. Thinkers might contemplate for years how to achieve something and then they do...
     
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    Just reading quickly about Puma Punka I didn't read anything about it's destruction other than treasure hunters damage and weathering. And that perhaps there was severe and prolonged drought and they could not produce enough food...
     
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    Sorry but I disagree...people and hand tools and lots of time allow some wonderful things to be accomplished...
     
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    Yeah....you gotta wonder how they explain Egyptian statues.
     
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    Argument from incredulity.
     
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