Produce, Mooch, or Loot

So you don't think that it is a 'worthy object of govt' to 'secure to the laborer' as much of the fruits of his labors as possible, but that human institutions should be free to fleece the working man without restraint?

No regulations, from our collective processes? No protecting the 'little guy' from the oppressions of the rich & powerful?

What is the 'most worthy object of any good govt,' then, if not to provide a fair playing field, & protect the weak from the exploitation of the rich & powerful?

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I'm not understanding the religious reference, or the side point.. how does this apply to the discussion?

 

The only righteous persons are the producers, all others are eaters. It is Republican religion.

 

I disagree that you are doing so by creating an income tax, suspending habeas corpus, killing a few hundred thousand, inflating the currency, etc.

I support absolute, uncompromising voluntary trade between all people. To suggest otherwise is to suggest that either I do not own my labor or they do not own their capital. If the latter is true you shouldn't regulate their activity, you should confiscate their stolen capital.

 

I am not attributing a moral value on anyone, just examining the obvious methods for human survival.. perhaps the terms are too colorful, & impart a negative connotation... that is in the eye of the beholder. Or perhaps the sting of Truth is too much to bear.. i cannot help how people react to basic principles of human survival.

If this is inaccurate, what is the alternative? How would you describe the different strategies for human survival? Is not 'mooching' a method for survival? Why is 'looting' an partisan description of something very common in the history of man? It seems to me to be very objective, & describes reality. Any attempt to redefine it as a 'partisan' issue seems misdirected..

 

..sounds like you have an issue with the author of the quote, rather than the content. But i would prefer to stay on topic.

You do not feel that any collective process, regulation, law, justice... should be a part of the human experience? Everyone does what they want, or can get away with, & no collective agency should interfere with them? Is that not just 'might makes right'? Is that not the whole purpose of a collective justice system, to protect the weaker elements of society from exploiters & aggressors?

How, then, do you deter the 'looters' in society, if they are constrained only by their benevolence? Is there not some kind of collective justice system needed to sustain law & order in society? That seems fairly obvious, after thousands of years of human history.. how can you expect voluntary peaceful coexistence, when the history of man is full of aggression, exploitation, & domination? Do you not merely empower the looters, to exploit the producers whenever & however they want?

 

cooperation and teamwork is what helps.

 

Yes, humans have been doing that for thousands of years, whether they work & produce the necessities of life, or band together & plunder those who do. But whether a small family farm is run by several people, including hired hands, they do the actual work that produces the food for many people. Those other people build houses, produce clothing, machines, or support functions for the productive elements of society. But how is 'teamwork' different than producing, mooching, or looting? Your 'team' can do any of those things, & work together to reach their goal.

I see 'teamwork' as a collective process, that can help or hinder the productive segments of society, that EVERYONE depends on for their survival needs. I don't see it as something separate, or different, as another strategy to meet your survival needs.

 

I live in a small town and I only know maybe half of them. Far fewer if you want to know more than their names. So what is this society you talk about? Are you counting some farmer in Iowa? I don't know him, and he doesn't know me.

As for that constitution, it doesn't say anything in there about being able to mooch or loot.
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So how do all the welfare recipients who just breed and take and take, fit into the equation ?


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I interpret that quote to mean the worker is entitled to keep what they have earned; the government should not tax him and take that money away. Don't let the government mooch on behalf of other people who won't work.

 

the same way politicians who are lousy managers fit into the equation when creating public policies.

we should be solving for simple poverty and the capital effects of capitalism's, natural rate of unemployment.

 

why should "we" worry about that?

 

better market based metrics. we should have "commodity" public policies not "fiat" public policies, like we have now.

 

I actually see the recent vote of England to leave the EU as a vote to LIMIT & downsize the looting hordes in govt. England was sending £13 billion to the EU, which was primarily used to support a massive bureaucracy.. a mooching, looting monster that just devours the increase of the working man, & produced NOTHING in return. Why would the producing, working citizen of any nation support such madness?

Why is the delusion of govt as God so prevalent? The working people of this (or any) nation do not need nannies to oversee & micromanage everything we do, & who only ask for us to support them in the lap of luxury all their entitled lives.

The world is much simpler than these progressive liars pretend. They are merely wishing to live off the working man's labors, & control everyone around them.. they buy votes from low information voters to enable their larceny, but all they do is drag society on a slow downward spiral, as dependency grows, & production decreases. You only have to look to venezuela, the ussr, china, or any of the poster children of socialistic fantasy to see the ACTUAL RESULT of their delusions.

Why should the producing members of society be burdened to support these useless fools? We only need a functional justice system, some minor regulations for commerce, & a credible deterrence in our military defense. All the rest of the bureaucratic bloat is a waste of our labors.. worse, it reduces efficiency in production, & builds a massive system of leeching off the working man.

The collectivist delusion of nanny state govt control is nothing more than a bloated leech, sucking the lifeblood of society, weakening it, & eventually killing it. What kind of madness & folly would inspire a people to embrace such nonsense, for their collective governance?

 

I choose rape, pillage, and murder.

Hey, it's fun while it lasts!

 

We have the best form of Socialism in the entire World. Even the right complains our poor are not really poor enough by absolute, Capital standards, and should be denied and disparaged in their steak and lobster privileges on their EBT cards.