Project Gunrunner

Myths About Gun Control: http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/st176.pdf

 

Nope, I merely recognise poor quality. That it isn't a review cannot be denied. An undergrad dissertation would be able to hit more of the available literature! That it doesn't provide any econometric analysis is also a matter of fact

Given I know the evidence I dismiss your silly claims for what they are. However, I'm happy for you to quote this "plenty of evidence that gun control does not work". Please provide authors, year, title, journal, volume and page numbers. Cheers!

 

In the District of Columbia v. Heller case, the gun ban in Washington D.C. was over-turned. The SCOTUS ruled that the Second Amendment is alive and well, as it should be.

Over the last year, crime has dropped in D.C. The murder rate dropped by 10 percent, violence with firearms dropped by 14 percent, and armed robberies dropped by 21 percent.

I'm sure that Chicago will produce similar results now that the gun ban there was over-turned last year.

 

Once again, you just disagree until something that backs your position surfaces.

You can dismiss whatever you want. It's childish. Crime statistics do not lie. The evidence is stacked against you. It is irrefutable. Sorry if that disappoints you.

You said that you are not for gun bans, so why the resistance to accept things the way they are?

 

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I'm able to refer to 'bleedin obviousness'. It isn't a review, nor is it primary research. By not achieving either we're left with a sad fact: Its merely an article that's peddled by blind googlers that do not understand the basic components of quality research. Refer to someone like Kleck and I'll at least celebrate shifting you towards good quality research!

 

You foreigners are something else. You wouldn't know the truth if it hit you square in the face. The research, evidence, facts, figures, pages, books, journals, etc. are so stacked against your position, it isn't funny.

Why so stubborn? Why so hard-headed?

 

BATFE to blame for guns in Mexico...

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7357550n

 

This is a particularly childish effort. You've made a mistake. You've referred to a very poor source, probably without knowing it of course. A review article would have to refer to all major sources. That article doesn't. A primary piece of research would require something more than just the inane presentation of raw statistics. That article doesn't. This is all very obvious!

 

What is obvious, it that the Harvard study, other studies, articles, commentaries, etc. all point to the blazing obvious, irrefutable fact that gun control does not work. In fact, crime increases in areas with the most gun control.

What have I received from you? Your opinion - that's all. No evidence for what you support. Your an empty shell. This gun control controversy is over. Your position has been obliterated.

You can go on denying the facts, but you are just fooling yourself.

 

Nope, you've received a lesson in how to critique a paper. It wasn't difficult with this one though

 

OK, are you finished? This thread is about Project Gunrunner, which turned into one on gun control. I have proved my position. Now, you have turned this into critiquing papers?

You obviously have nothing to prove your positions. Empty.

Back on topic.

 

Finished? You started it by foolishly referring to a very poor source that was easily discredited

 

Project Gunrunner

Obama’s stimulus-funded border nightmare:

Buried in Barack Obama’s failed trillion-dollar stimulus program was a $10 million bloody border racket that has now cost American lives. This goes far beyond the usual waste, fraud and abuse underwritten by progressive profligacy. It’s bloodstained government malfeasance overseen by anti-gun ideologues — and now anti-gun ideologue Attorney General Eric Holder will “investigate.”

Welcome to Project Gunrunner. Prepare for another Justice Department whitewash.

First, some background. Like so many border programs run amok, Project Gunrunner was the spawn of Beltway bipartisanship. It was established in 2005 as a pilot project under the Bush administration and run by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives. The intended goal of the program’s sting operations: stop illicit firearms trafficking along the Southwest border through close surveillance of undercover gun purchases and coordinated intervention with Mexico. The deadly result: federally sanctioned gunwalking of high-powered weapons from U.S. officials right into the hands of drug-cartel killers.

By 2008, Project Gunrunner’s bureaucratic fiefdom had expanded rapidly along the U.S.–Mexico border and into the nine U.S. consulates in Mexico. The office raked in $2 million more through the little-scrutinized Merida Initiative, which Hispanic vote-pandering Republicans rammed through in a war supplemental bill. Despite warnings from the DOJ inspector general that tracking and assessment measures needed improvement, the payroll exploded from a few dozen to more than 200 by 2009. Under the Obama administration, ATF reaped another $21.9 million to expand Project Gunrunner (nearly half from the stimulus boondoggle), and the White House has requested almost $12 million more in fiscal year 2011 appropriations for the program.

Project Gunrunner’s reach and authority continues to grow despite dire, prolonged warnings from insiders and whistleblowers that countless monitored guns have been passed on to violent criminals without being intercepted as planned. Following up on leads first published at www.cleanupatf.org and the blogs of gun-rights advocates David Codrea and Mike Vanderboegh, CBS News reported last month that Project Gunrunner “allegedly facilitated the delivery of thousands of guns into criminal hands.”

One of those guns was used by Mexican gang thugs who murdered U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry last December. At least six veteran ATF agents and executives stepped forward to expose how ATF presided over the purchase of hundreds of high-powered rifles and pistols — over the objection of the very private gun shops that the Obama administration’s anti-gun zealots have vilified.

One whistleblower familiar with Project Gunrunner’s Phoenix offshoot, dubbed “Operation Fast and Furious,” told CBS News: “The numbers are over 2,500 on that case by the way. That’s how many guns were sold — including some 50-calibers they let walk.” The weapon used in the Mexico slaying of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Special Agent Jaime Zapata has also been linked to Project Gunrunner surveillance operation subjects.

As investigative watchdog Republicans Sen. Charles Grassley and Rep. Darrell Issa step up pressure on the administration to come clean this week about who knew what and when, Obama denied any knowledge of Project Gunrunner on Spanish-language Univision TV. He blithely allowed that “there may be a situation here in which a serious mistake was made. If that’s the case, then we’ll find out and we’ll hold someone accountable.”

Coming from a man who appointed crime-coddling, accountability-evading, open-borders corruptocrat Eric Holder to uphold the law, that is a bloody, cruel joke.

Source: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/263364/project-gunrunner-michelle-malkin

 

You have not discredited anything but yourself.

 

Anyone with knowledge on this topic will tell you otherwise

 

I'll be standing by...

 

Search them out! It grieves me to see you arguing without knowledge. I'm being selfish though, it sometimes feels like I'm kicking a kitten

 

Ayuh,... Says the Troll as her azz is kicked to the gutter....

 

That is AWESOME.....+1

 

I have plenty of knowledge. There is tons of information out there. YOU, just have to accept it, which YOU are having a hard time doing.

 

Indeed. Get acquiring!

 

Good, we're making progress now. You admit that new guns are predominately sold legally in this country and then a percentage will find their way into the illegal market. Was that really so hard? You have now shown how you understand the link between the legal and the illegal gun market. Now you can join the conversation about the societal costs and shared sacrifice by purchasers.

Welcome!

Quit dodging now, it's not a very difficult question. I assume that you don't need to know "specifics" in order to formulate a position on whether or not you're in favor of laws that make it illegal to murder, rape or steal. Are you in favor of addressing the illegal gun market or not (provided it were done in a Constitutional fashion)?

I see. So, you don't wish to engage in a rational discussion about social costs due to an irrational fear about a baseless and imagined position by our President.

Got it.

 

I have, and will continue to do so.

 

Like I said, quit be condescending and cocky.

I disagree with you that gun costs should reflect anything about the costs to society. One could argue, that since statistics show less crime in areas with less gun control, then guns should cost less or be subsidized because of the positive effects on society.

There are already thousands of laws on the books concerning guns. Criminals do not follow these laws.

The Obama Administration is clearly biased against the Second Amendment. Gun sales skyrocketed after he was elected. The two justices that he appointed to the SCOTUS are anti-gun.

Got it?