Putin: US attempt to push Huawei from global market is the first sign of global tech war

Source:

https://www.rt.com/business/461306-us-huawei-tech-war-putin/

Russian President Vladimir Putin said US efforts to push Chinese tech giant Huawei out of the global market might be a sign that a new technological war is coming.
“Take the situation around the company Huawei, for example. There are attempts not even to challenge it, but to brazenly force it out of the global market,” Putin told the audience at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum on Friday. “In some circles it is even called the first technological war of the coming digital era.”

Washington has long criticized Huawei and another Chinese tech company, ZTE, over alleged links to the Chinese government. In May, when the trade war between Washington and Beijing escalated, the Trump administration blacklisted Huawei, citing national security concerns.


My comment:
Does it even matter if Huawei really has this connection and if Chinese intelligence can actually do what the US government claims?

Have you ever forgotten in the US what Edward Snowden taught the world about the possibilities and activities of the NSA?

But I know ... if US intelligence agencies do all that, that's perfectly OK. Even if used to spy illegal on US citizens ...
But woe if another Foreign Intelligence does the same!

 

trump just use Huawei as bargain chip in trade wars. he get confused with national security vs trade deal.

 

One thing that is for sure is that the tech war has begin. As is the case in any war - the first casualty is the Truth.

It is no secret that the US intelligence agencies have been using the dominant position of US corporations - and their ability to influence these corporations as a tool for spying.

Back doors that allow the intelligence agencies watch people through the camera's in their computers, hack into phones and so on - exist because intelligence agencies want them to exist. The corporations could close these portals - secure the access points against "spies" - but, they don't because of the intelligence agencies would protest.

Now we are in a situation where the Political class is accusing China of what we do... regardless of whether or not China is actually doing this.

The reality is that China is able to use the same portals that the US uses. Once a door is open - it is open. The idea that Hackers can use these doors but Chinese hacking experts can not is preposterous mindlessness on steroids.

We need to close these portals. It gives Gov't - be it China or the US - way too much power.

 

It probably doesn't matter. I would say it is more of an emotional situation for the U.S. than a practical one.

I think you give him more credit than he deserves. The majority of classified information in our federal government is classified to prevent embarrassment rather than to prevent a breach of national security. I have yet to see anything involving national security from Snowden's activities.

True. We do have a lot of corruption in federal government and NSA is not an exception. We have far too much government in the U.S. It is the largest single source of impediments to our desired way of life. The federal government is no longer run by we the people. It manages we the people.

 

Well, we are the good guys and we gather that intel for good purposes. Why should we advocate someone else spying on us?

 

Well Putin is right, because there have always been patent disputes between the tech companies but nothing like this (refer 2011 when Apple settled over 24 patent disputes with Nokia https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/jun/14/nokia-apple-settle-patent-row).

Huawei pretty much copied the Macbook Pro down to the last screw but now it's the security threat that's the issue... I suppose it indirectly is a security threat, but not for reason the US is stating. When it comes to the massive revenues these giants generate the potential loss of these revenues could well be a security threat.

 

Really?
Who evaluates the whole thing, that you are actually the good guys? Yourselves and those who are so dependent on the US that they are afraid to deny that?

Sorry ... at the latest thanks to Edward Snowden the world knows that you are not the good guys in these things ... at least not more good than the others!

If your NSA listens and wiretaps the C-phones and otherwise the heads of government and ministers around, as well as members of the parliaments of your allies ... then does this not make you to a good guy!
And if it is then said seriously that the intelligence agencies of these allies should try in no case reversed in the US because they have no right, then it will be hypocritical and ridiculous!

 

Or you can create an overall context ... to the general trade dispute of the US with China ... which is known to have drastically escalated since Trump.

Well ... I think "Prism" should not be talked small. The world also learned here that the NSA is spying on the US allies just as it spies on its opponents!
There were a lot of nice things that the world experienced ...

I would rather say that the US has a serious problem with the reasonable control of intelligence services.
On the one hand, before 9/11 there were pretty idiotic Jonstellationen and instructions that prevented FBI, CIA and NSA could fully share their findings and were allowed to ... what 9/11 could have prevented erünnthaft. When that became clear again after 9/11, US law was massively bowed and broken as far as the new powers for the intelligence services were concerned, and nobody really controlled it all. In short, people swerved from one extreme to the other in the US instead of giving reasonable rules and instructions and powers!

 

The US shares quite a bit of intelligence with its allies. I bet China or Russia won’t do that.
If I were in charge of the cia I would want to wiretap important people too.
I bet you Germans spy on fellow eu countries as well - you just weren’t caught yet.

And “good guys” was more of a sarcasm - everyone thinks they are part of the “good guys” group.

 

You mean China and Russia won't share with their allies intelligence? Well ... the quiestion is, who are these close allies of them?
In issue of Russia, they shared for example with the Assad regime in Syria ... and they did even that in the past when it was the USSR. I don't know if you are aware of it, but it were high flying Mach 3 MIG-25 "Foxbat" jets in reconaissance version of the red Air Force who brought Assad Senior and and Sadad the necessary reconnaissance infos for the 1973 war before and during ... and Israel wasn't able to shot them down.
On the other hand, the US did the same with their U-2 for Israel too ...

Whether Germany spied on other friends or not, I can not say with complete certainty ... simply because that would be too secret. But it is very unlikely due to several circumstances.

But let's be honest ... it proven that the United States have wire tapped the C-Phone of Chancelor Merkel and hacked it, as many other German politicians were spyed too by the US. What was the most US reaction? Shrug ... and how you here, also showing understanding that it would not be so wrong to do so.
How about the other way around, if we start to hack Trump's C-Phone and spy on your politicians, etc. ... and that will come out? You would spit poison and bile out of anger with those evil and outrageous Krauts who behave like Nazis. But we Germans should just accept it and not make a big deal out of it ...?

 

Do you not think that China has its own version of an NSA? China is the world's most prolific IP thieves. They have committed countless cyber intrusions into military and businesses. Huawei is famous for its industrial espionage besides being a front company for the Chinese government.
". . .steady, extensive support from the Chinese government. If you're willing to funnel hundreds of millions, maybe even billions of dollars to a company, they're going to be able to grow. The second reason is industrial espionage. And Huawei was famous in their developing years for taking other people's technology.
And:
Mike Rogers: If I were an American company today, and I'll tell you this as the chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, and you are looking at Huawei, I would find another vendor if you care about your intellectual property, if you care about your consumers' privacy, and you care about the national security of the United States of America.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/huawei-probed-for-security-espionage-risk/
We should have left the Chinese to their own devices. They would be still be riding in rickshaws, binding women's feet, and crapping in their drinking water.

 

Huawei wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for Western technology. Everything it is has been pilfered. Strangely, the Chinese don't seem to be embarrassed that everyone knows they are cheaters and thieves. Kind of sociopathic in my opinion.

 

Hi mate,
of course I live in no pink dream world ...
Of course, the Chinese secret service is very active and I do not want to argue that they did something here. Also, I do not defend the Chinese here ...
But where is the difference between "Chinese NSA" hacking Huawai and "American NSA" hacking Apple? I see no difference at least and rate both as evil!

The point, however, is that the US has so far provided no evidence that the Huawai smart phones are made to listeners of the Chinese intelligence service. So far, only assertions come without real evidence!

 

And do you have any evidence that Huawai stole everything ... illegally, etc.?
I would like to see this evidence ... because so far there are only American claims without proof. For example, in an American source, I read the claim that Huawai illegally owns Android on his hands ... although a quick research clearly shows it is not!

 

Of course and purposely. Trump is the first President to have taken the Chinese to task for their behavior. Turning the other cheek hasn't corrected anything.

And both our opponents and allies have spied on us. There is no question that our federal government takes spying too seriously. It is certainly necessary during times of war but not so much otherwise.

I tend to agree with that. We have a fairly corrupt federal government and too much of it.

 

Yeah, best to catch them after the fact.

 

Personally, I wouldn’t care if someone spies on the US government officials. To be honest with you, I have a strong feeling that it’s already happening, so no reason to get upset over it.

 

I think Snowden deserves large credit. I think he deserves some sort of medal for his actions in revealing the crimes of government.

What he essentially did is show how so many conspiracy theories are actually conspiracy facts.

And that extends to way beyond just NSA.

 

I'm not surprised you feel that way.

 

But Trump's path has so far been just as unsuccessful ... the trade war is just getting worse and worse and the US is harming itself more and more!

It's about how ... because Trump means to slap the Chinese here with the sledgehammer ... but forget that China is not the little Mexico and even beyond a possible 2, Trump's term ... just Washington can show the middle finger.

 

It is China that is hurting us. If I were President I would end trade with China completely over a scheduled time periodi. Trump is trying to change their behavior. He may be successful. We don't know yet. In the meantime we engage in a trade war until either China changes or Trump is voted out of office. I suspect the Chinese are hoping for an election loss in 2020. They don't have to worry about elections.

 

Well ... ask the American farmers about the trade dispute with China. Ask the importers of things and what they buy, which are no longer produced in the US and can not be produced again overnight!
And as far as the punitive tariffs on steel are concerned ... which also affect Europe ... so I had to grin when I read of the great American astonishment why steel products Made in the USA ... as for examplel washing machines, um to give a marginal example ... have become more expensive.

 

embarrassed of what? they are the one got 5g working, we don't even have 5g company, we have to rely on nokia. furthermore, Huawei has thousands 5G patent that they are sharing with nokia.
of course now they are moving into their own OS, chip etc. rather than buy from US.

 

Sometimes Russia shares intelligence info even with US allies.