Putin wants to rename city Volgograd to Stalingrad, whats next? Gulag reopening?

So what? There are veterans who want to rename the city- so people should decide. I agree with Art_Allm, that you provocate people with this thread. Initially the post contained lies that Putin wanted to rename the city. I see, you are the master of twisting the news

 

Comprehension problems, huh? I did not state there was no genocide.

 

Troll is you. Always posting crappy demotivators and other pictures full of hate to whole ethnic group. Turn logic on. Question was "Is there neonazi in Ukraine?" and answer - "Yes for sure". Even fact that Russia has them too doesn't negotiate that.

- Russia has no neonazi in government
- Ukraine has Right Sector (One of the most powerful movements today)
- Ukraine has Svoboda party (which is presented in parliament, government and takes minister seats)

Here is proofs not just bla bla bla...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svoboda_(political_party)
...one of the five major parties of the country. Three members of the party hold positions in Ukraine's government...
...Scholars and journalists disagree over Svoboda's politics, some stating members of Svoboda are fascistic or anti-semitic...
...Svoboda won its first seats in the Ukrainian Parliament,[32] garnering 10.44% of the popular vote and the 4th most seats among national political parties;[33] this transposed into 37 parliamentary seats...
...Certain political experts claim that the name of the party (first name - The Social-National Party of Ukraine) was an intentional reference to the Nazi Party in Germany...
...Membership was restricted to ethnic Ukrainians, and for a period the party did not accept atheists...The party also recruited skinheads and football hooligans...

...The "Idea of the Nation" (First logo), perceived as a modified Wolfsangel rune, used by SNPU...
...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfsangel#Nazi_Germany
...Svoboda was noted for clashing with the far-right group Right Sector, a coalition which includes Patriot of Ukraine (paramilitary organisation)...
...Just read Wikipedia a lot of interesting stuff there
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svobod...gations_of_neo-nazism_and_political_extremism

 

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1-2% right sector.

All other talks is propaganda. I am to intellegent to believe such justification for russian aggression.

Your stone-old photos of 1941 do not make me change my mind. Also russians did fight in the SS btw

 

not all veterans want name city after the biggest mass murderer in the history of human being .
deffintally not this one
[video=youtube;feieP1xxeRk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feieP1xxeRk[/video]
more about the same subject , we all know that Stalin sanctioned this mass rape
[video=youtube;ulRIHwPg4gw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulRIHwPg4gw&feature=player_detailpage[/video]
Art_Allm does not know the fact that czar Putin shows the way, and his death crew will fix it , this is how it works in Putin´s russia

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1-2% right sector.

All other talks is propaganda. I am to intellegent to believe such justification for russian aggression.

Your stone-old photos of 1941 do not make me change my mind. Also russians did fight in the SS btw[/QUOTE]

less then 1%...Russian fascist party LDPR has 10% (more then 12 millions) more then 20 years

 

are you sure about it?

 

less then 1%...Russian fascist party LDPR has 10% (more then 12 millions) more then 20 years[/QUOTE]
Please, give a reference to the order of Stalin where he allowed rapes of Germans. I think what you write here that he sanctioned mass rape is not true.
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%B2_%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%93%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%B2_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B5_%D0%92%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D1%8B
There is a whole chapter about measures which have been taken by soviet high-rank generals and marshals against violence of the solders. There was also an order of Stalin how soldiers should behave themselves in Germany. Do not say stupid things- if Stalin insisted on rapes, the local people would be angry with Russians, and resist more to Soviet Army.
I see that you are talking too much about the rapes of women in Germany so to protect Nazis, to diminish the responsibility of Hitler for the war? The same tactic was used by the way by Goebbels...Maybe let us talk about rapes, mass killing of people by Nazis in USSR?

 

sound like your Russia something like Germany, just with snow. with opposition in Parliament, free press, daily appearance of opposition on state channels...LOL

whats about this story ?

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...war-dozhd-russias-last-independent-tv-channel

so how is another real Russia to you , still good?

 

Please, give a reference to the order of Stalin where he allowed rapes of Germans. I think what you write here that he sanctioned mass rape is not true.
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%B2_%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE_%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%93%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B8_%D0%B2_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B5_%D0%92%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D1%8B
There is a whole chapter about measures which have been taken by soviet high-rank generals and marshals against violence of the solders. There was also an order of Stalin how soldiers should behave themselves in Germany. Do not say stupid things- if Stalin insisted on rapes, the local people would be angry with Russians, and resist more to Soviet Army.
I see that you are talking too much about the rapes of women in Germany so to protect Nazis, to diminish the responsibility of Hitler for the war? The same tactic was used by the way by Goebbels...Maybe let us talk about rapes, mass killing of people by Nazis in USSR?[/QUOTE]

needs just one picture which is characterize your ruSSki "anti - fascism"




ps
about your super hero A Nevskiy ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7AggKAOK1c

 

needs just one picture which is characterize your ruSSki "anti - fascism"


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about your super hero A Nevskiy ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7AggKAOK1c[/QUOTE]
I looked this video. This is a BS from Nevzorov. Who is he? He even does not have a degree in History. His statements about Nevskiy, Suvorov, Pushkin and others is a BS and lie.
Well, Nevzorov reportages "600 seconds" normally showed BS, chernuha on TV. He is not at all respected journalist like Vladimir Pozner, or Soloviev.
As one of the commentators correctly noticed, only an idiot can judge the people who lived several hundred years ago from the current moral positions.
The way you present everything here clearly indicates that you are terrible rusophob.
Watch better Kisilev for a month or so, than Nevzorov. Then maybe you become more loyal to Russia.

 

I looked this video. This is a BS from Nevzorov. Who is he? He even does not have a degree in History. His statements about Nevskiy, Suvorov, Pushkin and others is a BS and lie.
Well, Nevzorov reportages "600 seconds" normally showed BS, chernuha on TV. He is not at all respected journalist like Vladimir Pozner, or Soloviev.
As one of the commentators correctly noticed, only an idiot can judge the people who lived several hundred years ago from the current moral positions.
The way you present everything here clearly indicates that you are terrible rusophob.
Watch better Kisilev for a month or so, than Nevzorov. Then maybe you become more loyal to Russia.[/QUOTE]

well-known facts. but you can stay in your national romantic prison

ps
whats about the main RuSSki "anti - fascist" photo ?

 

http://vk.com/public_rushka

 

well-known facts. but you can stay in your national romantic prison

ps
whats about the main RuSSki "anti - fascist" photo ?
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I would say the other words- well fabricated facts, but not well known facts. About photo- Rogozin - yes, he is Russian nationalist. But nothing to do with fascism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congress_of_Russian_Communities

 

I would say the other words- well fabricated facts, but not well known facts. About photo- Rogozin - yes, he is Russian nationalist. But nothing to do with fascism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congress_of_Russian_Communitie s[/QUOTE]
you said that Ragozin´s photo under the fascist flag was photoshopped ?

ps
surprise , surprise (irony) ...

http://grani.ru/Society/Religion/m.230066.html
one of Stalin´s victories
[video=youtube;Qit4SjtcgPk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpag e&v=Qit4SjtcgPk[/video]

 

The old Communist KGB man shows his true colors and you guys act surprised.

 

Russia has giant pictures of Stalin plastered onto their buses.

They love Stalin, just like how Nazis love Hitler.

 

Americans print portrait of Washington on the dollar.
They love Washington, just like how Nazis love Hitler.

I have photo of my dog in my desktop.
I love my dog even more than, like how Nazis love Hitler.

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Hi everyone.

Of course it is a lie. A usual propaganda for westerners btw. It is not Putin who suggested renaming of Vogograd to Stalingrad. The veterans of WW2 and its decisive Stalingrad battle asked Putin if it is possible to rename Volgograd to the name that they were dying for. Putin answered as a true despot - he said that such a question according to russian law should be decided at city referendum. He told that it was not him to remame the city and he will not change its name himself...

Some history. Volgograd has a strategical position linking (separating) south of Russia, Caucases and Siberia. Before revolution russian civil war the city was called Tsaritsyn. (the name sounds like 'belonging to queen', but historians think of 'Sary-Chin' - 'yellow island' from turkish roots). This city was in the center of white russian army trying to get this key point during the civil war attacked red soviet army. The bolsheviks and people who chose their side in a civil war were defending the city under the command of Joseph Stalin.
Due to succesfull defending against outnumbering forces Stalin gained an authoruty in communist party. Tsaritsyn for Stalin was a kind of Tulon for Napoleon. That's why when the bolsheviks started to rename cities and streets removing everything that could remind of the tsars and commemorating their achievements and personalities this city was named after Stalin. Later in 1942 when the city was destroyed but captured inside a huge german army (nazists first marched into caucasian territory but they soon understood that without Stalingrad they would not be able to keep this territory) becoming the decisive victory in so far biggest war in Europe.
After Stalin's death there was a fight for power inside the bolshevik party. It was won by Nikita Khrushev. Khrushev needed a decent reason to kill those who were strong competitors to his power. All of these people belonged to a team made by Stalin. Besides, Khrushev understood that people of USSR as a result of Stalin's policy combined with state propaganda media adored Stalin. What would you feel towards a leader who started in a state that was about to collapse in a never ending hunger and civil war and finished with a decent food and heavy industry able to be victorius in a most difficult war in history? Russians still admit that Stalin was a very succesfull leader and stalinism is quite popular. That's why Khrushev started counter-propaganda which told of different 'crimes' that were made by Stalin against its own people. This propaganda was never successful. Because of this propaganda USSR had to sacrifice its relationship with communist China. But Khrushev gained power and he couldn't care anything less for everything else... Recently all the lies of billion murdered russians were proven to be a lie by official statistics which opened about now. It tells that during Stalin fewer people were convicted than in modern Russia or modern USA... The name of Stalin is now a scarecrow to a westerner who doesn't know a thing about Russia but knows for sure that Stalin was a criminal and he killed millions of innocent...

I myself, being in opposition to every revolution think that renaming the city back is of no use. Even though the battle of Stalingrad was really crucial and it will remain as 'Stalingrad battle' in the world history. I would rather return the name of Stalin to the cities that he made. Like Novokuznetsk (Stalinsk), Donetsk (Stalino). I would rather return the name of Tsaritsyn to the city of Volgograd in order to complete a story with politically motivated renamings. But I would respect the will of Volgograd citizens if they decide to rename the city. Anyway I wouldn't start 'anti-terrorist operation' against them if they decide to live the way they want.

 

Putin just agreed to a proposal of a war veteran to held a referendum about this question.

The voters will decide if the city will be renamed or not.

It is possible that the voters say "No", the city will not be renamed.

You claimed that Putin quasi ordered that the city should be renamed, and that means that you are (deliberately or in-deliberately) spreading false information.

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Stalingrad...

"This city bears the name of the boss." This thread just reminded me of that scene for some reason.

[video=youtube;381Di8Cw0-I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=381Di8Cw0-I[/video]

 

We remember and destructions and we grieve civilians...

Stalingrad is often described as the turning point on the Eastern Front. From then on, the Soviet forces had the strategic initiative, and the Wehrmacht was in retreat. A year of German gains during Case Blue had been wiped out. Germany's Sixth Army had been destroyed, and the armies of Germany's European allies, except Finland, had been shattered. The effect on morale was immense, and many people round the world now believed that Hitler's defeat was inevitable.


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On behalf of the people of the United States of America I hand over this diploma to the city of Stalingrad to note our admiration of his valorous defenders, bravery, strength of mind and which dedication during a siege will eternally inspire from September 13, 1942 to January 31, 1943 hearts of all free people. Their nice victory stopped a wave of invasion and became a turning point of war of the allied nations against aggression forces.
read more here https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Сталинградская_битва#.D0.A0.D0.B5.D0.B0.D0.BA.D1.86.D0.B8.D1.8F_.D0.B2_.D0.BC.D0.B8.D1.80.D0.B5

No Valenok it is you as usual wrong http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=350080&page=8&p=1063782509#post1063782509if you don't understand the importance of this fight.

 

It's a war. War happened. The current world order has come to its end. Neither of the sides is able to push back.
1. USA cannot go back, because if US retreats now it would lose it's name of democracy defender and what is also important fear in the eyes of friends and foes. So they will change presidents and stories. Close the eyes at democratic elections and aviation strikes. But they would rather nuke Moscow in order just to have at least one of the villages of NATO attacked, just to justify their war against Russia.
2. EU cannot even tell smth reasonable. Even once they admit that there was an avia strike on a civil building of Lugansk - they have to say it in such complicated terms that it is still possible to believe that some martian plane on the order of evil Putin did a very sophisticated planned attack on a building just to depict ukrainian junta not as heroes..., but this attempt couldn't even deceive the journalists... EU will collapse if it steps back from Ukraine. If it admits that association agreement is not necessarliy an acceptance to EU. If it admits that even joining EU doesn't mean crossing the borders of Heavens. Then it will collapse and the collapse will happen just at the borders of former Holy Roman Empire into smallest duchies... It will be then evident that EU is not ruled by itself. It's suicide for EU to get back from Ukraine.
3. Russia can not accept killing of russians just for their language and beliefs, agree to pay for it and to apologize for the preious viewpoint at such a situation. Putin or whoever who tells that Russia accepts killing russians because the world belives different media will be kicked out of not even Kremlin but life.
4. China? They tolerated the same strategy to their own territory. Why would they completely change their winnning strategy just at the point when their major competitors are ready to destroy each other?
5. Ukraine? All the politicians there are shuffled to the last card. Poroshenko was in Kuchma's team as a millionaire (President fought by first Maidan sponsored by Poroshenko). He continued supporting Yushenko as multi millionaire (President that was thrown away by second Maidan which Poroshenko became an ally), and lost only to Timoshenko. Then Poroshenko became a billionaire under Yanukovich (replaced by third Maidan, sponsored by Poroshenko again) betraying him just at the moment that he could enter the first political roles himself...
Does anyone believe that Poroshenko will not be replaced by fourth Maidan since there already is a civil war in Ukraine and people are dying faster then they did in Syria? He will not be allowed and that is the end of story. But if anyone inside Ukraine would challenge Poroshenko type - they would be killed.
6. Who else? Martians? That's the most probable scenario of peaceful solution.
No. I only believe into the end of the world and the second arrival of Christ. I just don't see any other chance.

NATO ships and planes would continue to provoke russian military in Crimea and even in Okhotsk Sea (which is much further from Ukraine but close to US-Russia war if anyone still believes propaganda). At some point it is either machinery failure, or a pilot loses a string, or a politicians would become a little bit more stupid than he already is and... the informaation war would turn into nuclear. And I don't see any side of decision-makers who would eliminate the very chance of it.

 

Lies, everyone knows about about come of this referendum. much like all other referendums in the undemocratic countries answers are always in favor of tyrant .

ps any comment on this subject http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26030151

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26030151

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+1, or Buses with HItler on them

 

too good speech for Khrushchev....

 

And that is to me the funny thing about you german and russian right wing extrimists:

1. You hugh eachother

2. You kill eachother

Hitler - German pact 1939
22.06.1941


You are all same. Communists, fascists, Nazis, Red Army, SS, Pro Russians, Stalin, Putin, Russia, USSR....

ALL SAME