Question: What was the real reason for the departure of the UK from the EU ?

Yes they were 'right' for the first 2 days! There have been longer financial downturns than that after budget announcements! And I outlined the lies in my previous post.

 

People are sick of supranational Statism and want their freedoms back.

 

Euro Union nation has LOST TRILLIONS with MERKELS Horrendous error.. will she be thrown in jail?

each and every day since the vote.. Uk stock has beat france and germany each day with germany the worst each day

canada will benefit greatly from this as well as america with trading strong with UK.. same with austrailia

for the WEEK after the vote.... UK GAINED 2.6%....all the rest had a minus... France 5.1%.. Germany 5.6%..Spain 8.1%..Italy 9.8%.. Ireland 11.7%...Greece 12.3%... and each of the nordic states in the euro union lost and these will vote to secede from the union and the reason why they lost less..

WHAT a MONSTROUS ERROR by MERKEL...!!!

and how the very young voted shows this issue was a wisdom test for voters.. 75% of 18-25 voted to remain in union which means the others more experienced and wiser voted in a landslide to exit

and the stock markets proves who are the wiinners and losers and also shows if you let unwise people vote a nation WILL BE THE LOSER.. so soon there will be a world wide wisdom test for voters and no more liberalism..

THIS also will bring te conservative states to separate from the liberals states.... WELCOME TO THE CONSERVATIVE STATES OF AMERICA

 

Both in the UK and in Australia, the first factor is immigration. The EU determines the immigration numbers.

Your question actually gets to the point.

 

Indeed, from what I gather from Brits I've dealt with online is that many wanted to leave the EU, because of Polish immigrants.

Funny that Brits seem to be more or less okay with Muslims, and Blacks in the U.K, or at least in comparison to Polish.

Polish don't commit 67% of gun crime in London like Blacks do, nor did Polish start a feral riot in 2011 like Blacks did which caused much problems for the U.K.

Polish don't have half their population not working, and mostly just taking , rather than being productive citizens like Muslims, nor have Polish declared no go zones, or terrorist attacks like Muslims have.

It's truly ridiculous, I've not encountered more stupid White people than the Brits in my entire life.

 

X2....And i bet the Royal Family behind the scenes pushed BREXIT.....Population there gets too diluted and...? How much do you think the Polish, or muslims flooding in care about the Queen or Prince's or Monarchy stuff, etc, or any of that....At the current rate... all them tuti-frooties will be out on their a55 in 10yrs... sacking fries at McDonalds...if they survive the eviction....

 

I think the economy is the biggest one with claims of the EU representing 45% of UK trade.
Ignoring that 60% of that was imports from the EU and that of the 40% of that 45% that were exports...(of a total of 5% of our GDP), that 80% of our exports to the EU are not even covered by the single market agreement as they are services not goods.

My god. do the maths, for every £10 we buy from the EU through the single market untariffed, we sell £1.
we make a 1000% loss on every trade. (plus memberships fee's and unlimited migration)

We stand to lose 0.5% of GDP, if and only if the EU starts a trade war which will destroy itself.
Which no one in their right mind believes they will.

The magnitude of remains dishonesty beggars all belief.
It is truly stunning and glorious in it's ambition to label a whopping economic turd, "the crown jewels".

 

Euro Union nation has LOST TRILLIONS with MERKELS Horrendous error.. will she be thrown in jail?

each and every day since the vote.. Uk stock has beat france and germany each day with germany the worst each day

canada will benefit greatly from this as well as america with trading strong with UK.. same with austrailia

for the WEEK after the vote.... UK GAINED 2.6%....all the rest had a minus... France 5.1%.. Germany 5.6%..Spain 8.1%..Italy 9.8%.. Ireland 11.7%...Greece 12.3%... and each of the nordic states in the euro union lost and these will vote to secede from the union and the reason why they lost less..

WHAT a MONSTROUS ERROR by MERKEL...!!!

and how the very young voted shows this issue was a wisdom test for voters.. 75% of 18-25 voted to remain in union which means the others more experienced and wiser voted in a landslide to exit

and the stock markets proves who are the wiinners and losers and also shows if you let unwise people vote a nation WILL BE THE LOSER.. so soon there will be a world wide wisdom test for voters and no more liberalism..

THIS also will bring te conservative states to separate from the liberals states.... WELCOME TO THE CONSERVATIVE STATES OF AMERICA

 

The latest figures from 2015 showed that the number of Polish migrants overtook that of British Indians, who have been the largest migrant group in the UK in the post-war era. This is why the freedom of movement of persons within the EU is problematic for the British. EU immigration to the UK is projected to reach 76 million by 2050, which is more than the current UK population (64.1 million). Black migration to the UK can be controlled and they now make up 3% of the population.

 

No, some of the people who voted thought leaving the UK would stop all immigration.

You just have to read the comments section of any online Brexit article to see that.

All this talk of it being economy is so much eyewash. Maybe for a very few but if so, what the hell were they thinking of?

Britain was the 5th largest economy in the world and the 2nd largest economy in the EU.

The pound recovering slightly is partly due to Mark Carney's assurances and partly due to big business playing a waiting game.

Much depends on the kind of deal we get.

edit: This addition refers to my post on the thread " Will British citizens decide to leave the EU in June", which is in response to a post made by Baff.

It's quite clear that immigration was the main reason people voted to leave the EU.

All of the prospective candidates to become the new PM in the autumn have ruled out staying in the single market if it means accepting the free movement of people, because the leadership candidates who supported Brexit focused on immigration.

 

I certainly think immigration was a big one for a lot of people.
Not for myself personally, but for many people.

EU and non EU citizens have different standards of migration law applied to them.
By applying the same standard to both, (the much more rigorous non EU standard) we can expect migration to reduce at a single penstroke. The same border staff use the same training at the same border posts. My guestimate based on figures for Non EU migration/Non EU population vs EU migration/EU population would suggest a 40% reduction to UK net immigration just by doing this.

so not an end but a very significant reduction.

While I agree in broad sentiments, the stock markets "prove" nothing.
They indicate much but prove nothing.

What we are discussing are very complex systems. Nothing will ever be proven.
These arguments will never be resolved absolutely and beyond argument. Not even with the benefit of hindsight.
If we think back to the Great Recession or indeed any other historical economic shock, we can see that even today it is being argued over and along the very same lines it was being argued over at the time.

 

Migration was the main focus. The economical argument was abandoned when the sums couldn't be made to add up.
Whether or not immigration is reduced depends on the kind of deal we can get.

How about someone pointing to me actual lies told by the remain side?

 

Well it looks as if the 'many people' wre right then: I posted elsewhere an hour ago that last night's BBC news** reported that 'there are one million persons currently on local authority housing waiting lists'.

** I've since remembered it was Radio 4's PM program - and it gave four examples of the absolutely dreadful conditions some are living in, all of them immigrants.

 

That was true last week, but it is not true this week.

Times they are a changing.

 

How many people could say what hope and change really meant when they voted for Obama the first time? Are they ignorant knuckle daggers to? I think the simple anwser is Britain can make it on its own and succeed.

 

It is amazing how many people can not grasp that. I agree with you why are some many people miffed that Britain decided that they want to be in control of their own future?

 

What is amazing is how many people cannot grasp the UK was and still is a sovereign state, so that was a non reason to vote to leave.

Define being in control of our own future

Thank you.

 

You can not deny that the British courts are not sovereign in their own Country, the European courts can & do overrule British courts, for example the ruling of full life sentences of criminals.

There are dozens of other examples. You are being disingenuous claiming that Britain has not lost many elements of it's sovereignty after signing the Maastricht & Lisbon treaties.

But REMAINers are used to peddling lies.

 

The Anglo-Saxons from "England" lost in the 2nd World War II America ..
Roosevelt considered an enemy of America is not Germany, not the Soviet Union,
But England ...
Then, was the "Great Britain" in 30-40 years, this country is owned half the world ...
Roosevelt wanted to take away the British crown ..
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That he was able to:
- United Kingdom fell apart, instead of the pound was the dollar
- Britain lost its colonies ...
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Now the British came to their senses ...
Too late, the train has left ...

teach History

 

Lesson from the present.

We are still here.

 

Name one EU law that overrules British law.
http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/sovereignty/

Once again, please supply me with details of one lie told by the remain campaigners?

I can give you three lies told by the leave campaigners straight away and you swallowed them whole.

 

I'm asking...because i don't know....Did the EU set the number of immigrants each country was to take in...?

 

This does not over rule U.K. law but is not consistent with sovereignty and that is free and unfettered travel throughout the E.U.

AA

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It's all about the possibility of Islamic Extremists being able to travel free and unfettered throughout the E.U.

AA

 

Good question. Diamond lil will answer it for you! Or not!!

 

No. It was just a proposal.

Look, the Eu isn't some dictator state, headed by few mandarins telling everyone else what to do.

Something is proposed, and then voted on.

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Why didn't you answer it? Could it be that your guts arent telling you?