A racist is what I am called because I speak out against another culture. A racist is someone who is prepared to speak up against another person or culture and the defense is always..."youre a racist" Even now a person who has a southern cross tattoo on their body is labelled a racist. In America, they banned the Confederate flag because it was racist. Everyone in Australia is being de-nationalized purely and simply because of Islam. There is division in this country like never before..the reason is because people are starting to wake up to the insidious tentacles of Islam and Sharia law.
Discrimination based on race. Pretty simple concept. Discrimination is 'wrong' because it's not fair (legal) - where a persons attributes are considered on either assumptions or inaccuracy derived from unrelated factors like skin color, gender, sexual preference, race, culture, wealth, accent, fashion, disability etc etc, and then using that irrelevant/inaccurate information to define them in some relevant extent.
Racisim is spelt racism and you have an extra i that should be removed. I believe that Y-DNA and mtDNA haplogroups are the primary determinant of human traits but it's racist if you think one ethnic group is superior to another (i.e. Japanese vs. Korean) as it was widely believed in the pre-war era. Full Definition of racism. 1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination.
If you could you may have wanted to ask Adolf Hitler, but certainly ask those who can still remember the aftermath..... In modern times you may ask Tony Abbott, Putin, Trump and the Xi Jinping. I think those threads about why can't we be racists and feel good about it are only founded to justify the own dark soul and the hatred felt towards others we don't know........ Regards
Third Term has the best definition. So if people are locked up in concentration camps and gassed en masse with the aim to create one race, then think about that and then ask the question....why is it wrong to be racist?
"Race" is a social construct which loosely categorizes people by some vague sum of particular physical traits, accent, ethnicity, culture, nationality and religion. Racism is the act of discrimination against a person (or people) based on such a categorization. I'd be somewhat surprised if many people (at least in Australia) actually still believed "white people" are genetically/inherently superior to other "races". Most "racism" seems more to do with culture/nationalism/religion now. Because someone mentioned haplogroups: race is to genetic science as alchemy is to chemistry. It's easy to argue that it's wrong to systematically round up and murder millions of people, without even getting into questions of race and eugenics. What's apparently a more difficult question to answer is something like: Is it racist to have racially segregated computer labs in universities?
I agree with most of this Ziggy, but I guess I am just nit picking really, but religion is no qualifier for racism. It is discrimination not racism. I see a lot of posts stating Hanson is racist to Muslims. This is incorrect, if she denounced Arabs it would be racist, and I am not even sure she is breaking discrimination laws either in her denouncment of Islam. It is funny as I brought to attention last year, or at least a long time ago, the dangers of good hearted segregation and the destruction it may cause through the perceived inequity in society. I have always maintained that if you want equality, everyone must be equal. I had to explain to my nephew why my other nephew who is in the same class gets free after school meals paid by the government and he doesn't. I couldn't tell him that it was because he had the wrong skin colour. This kind of segregation breeds frustration and that in turn breeds hatred, and we all know how that ends. It has to stop, no matter if it is done through a guilty concience. In my opinion it is holding us back. Always being labelled the weakest in society, always being reminded that we are victims, always being singled out for hand outs because we are different. If we want to move forward, we need to step out of the shadow of the past and into the light of mainsteam inclusion.
Racism is the definition of just one persons opinion, who then teaches and convinces everyone else "their" opinion is wrong. It doesn't mean that one individuals opinion & perception on racism is correct, and should be taught; considering its ALL just an assumption.
This has been our pet hate for many decades. Discrimination breeds discrimination regardless of race; gender or sexuality, and the do-gooder idiots still cannot get their low intellects around the basic concept. Once you have created a Discrimination Law to protect a certain group of people. You have automatically discriminated against another group of individuals. As per the incident with your two nephews.
Finally. Someone who understands the real issues. There never could be a thing called the “Aboriginal Race” because of the 500 different indigenous Aboriginal tribes scattered throughout Australia. Just like the Indigenous Australians cannot call themselves “The First Nations People” because there credible scientific evidence to support that “Mungo Man” is a different species to modern day Aboriginal people, and pre-dates their arrival in Australia by 20,000. Indigenous Australians only pre-date white settlement. This is a simple paradigm. If individuals want to protect and advance their race and culture under the disguise of discrimination. Then every race and culture should have the same opportunity - not just minorities with victim mentalities. I have never said that atrocities were not committed against the Aboriginal peoples in the past, but these atrocities have been recognised, and many Australians people have apologised for the past events. How long are the Aboriginal peoples going to hold the victim and forgiveness card over the Australian peoples heads before they stop? It was my understanding that when you forgave someone for a wrong doing. You actually intended to forgive them without wanting anything in return or retribution. Not just pretending you forgive them, and waiting for an opportunity to dredge up the past, and play the victim card to score a free gift or some sympathy. I think this is a fair and reasonable question. “When are the Australian Aboriginal people going to forgive the past without wanting or expecting something in return?” Can you imaging the World wide chaos, if everyone who had their original homeland or country invade or settled, kept playing the victim and sympathy card. Its time all Australians including the indigenous people put this issue to bed for GOOD. If some people want to sit in the corner and suck their thumbs, then we just have to move on without them. How many intelligent people stop their entire world, because a 2 years chucks a tantrum and sucks their thumb? Real forgiveness should not equal blackmail.
Are you suggesting that the indigenous are resorting to extortion...goodness me...I would never have thought... The laughable thing is that indigenous tribes were attacking and killing each other before anyone else arrived, just like the north american indigenous..but everyone forgets that and blames white settlement for the entire indigenous problem....
Racism, IMHO, has nothing at all to do with race or colour, and everything to do with behaviour (ie, culture). Because behaviour can be changed, people have less tolerance for it when it's not 'kosher'. Most people are very reasonable, and don't really give a damn what colour our skin is.
I agree that most people don't give a damn but when they hear doom and gloom, perspectives change and we are seeing more and more of it.
Forgiveness should not come with an extortion price-tag. These discrimination Acts should all be abolished, and everyone living in Australia should have the same equal rights under the law regardless of your skin colour
In this day and age, in Australia, racism has become the call of the victim. Here on this forum many talk about the racism against Muslims, Indigenous refugees and anybody people wish to simply impose their own personal agendas upon the rest of the world. We see it every day in many ways, banning smokers from smoking in designated smoking areas. People imposing their own driving abilities upon the rest of the world by demanding everybody travel at their speed regardless of limit or conditions In other words, as Zig points out racism in Australia is more of a social construct rather than a true belief of superiority. However, in the past nations have gone to war over such issues construed to expand their empires or realms which have created animosity between nations which are considered to be racist. I have seen truly racist actions which NO Australian has come close to matching in my life time. The level of mistrust demonstrated between many nationalities for actions more than a hundred years old is incredible. To this day, racism due to past action of ancestors creates wars and conflict, not for the belief of superiority of race but for the mistrust of nations. Is this racism in the purest form??? If people are honest with themselves, cultural conflict affects their thinking. Here on this forum you see how people ignorantly label others as racist simply because they are unable to refute the comments of others, just to shut down debate. If people actually stop and consider that perhaps their understanding is flawed because of their own personal agenda perhaps they can rise above the stereo-typical idiosyncrasies of the ignorance continually demonstrated not just on these forum pages but in the highest of office in Australia. Many immigrants from the 40s and 50s talk about the racism they faced. They discussed the labelling and the hard time they were given. BUT they also talk about the acceptance they received when they simply knuckled down and worked to be part of Australia NOT simply complained (Except the Poms). Several people have made a living of this strange sort of acceptance if you consider such things as Wog Boy and other entertainment. Many will want to examine these issues and impose their own beliefs upon all over such. When you look at the Adam Goodes affair you really have wonder. During a interview on the ABC I actually heard a person state, when Adam is Booed he hears the racism of the chant. Clearly the truth of racism and bigotry is becoming the tools of the faux victim and not the reality of intentions. Reality appears to becoming the victim status and not the truth
Garry, I give you credit for this post, wouldn't share everything you said, but for a change good on ya. How would you describe the situation with stopping the boats by our racist ex leader Abbott? Clearly it carries all signs of racism, not to let Muslims arrive in Australia. Some might say it has nothing to do with racism, yet we stop a certain religious group to come to our shore. Isn't it fair to call them a race, Muslims of Iran, Iraq eg.? And out of a sudden we can accept refugees from central America, Christians of course, hey aren't those a race as well? They are not only Christians, but belong to a country or a certain group of people as well. Anyway, have to go to work, cheers
Cats I have a problem with this post, and not because of your view. I do not know how we can change what is happening here in regards to the terminology of racism versus the current incorrect use of the word racism. It is truly becoming head against brick wall stuff to be honest. You can NOT be racist against a religion, as a religion is NOT a race. You may have the opinion that Abbott is being discriminatory against Muslims, but NOT racist. This is the very point Garry is making. People are trotting out the RACIST card to bolster their arguments when in fact they are WRONG most of the time in their terminology of the word. All it does is reduce the actual impact of the word when used correctly. On another point, there were also a lot of Sri Lankans that were turned around during the period you speak of. They were not Muslim, so I am not sure your argument is as strong as you believe. Sorry if I seem aggressive here, and I honestly mean no malice toward you, but my frustration on the incorrect use of the word RACISM by seemingly educated individuals and the media at large is starting to really annoy the sh!t out of me. Why? ... Because it being used more for effect than it is for accuracy, and quite frankly it is not good enough.
Numerous people including myself have rationally tried to explain this point to you numerous time before. Ask yourself the logical question why Muslims specifically identify themselves as Muslims, and not as Iraqis; Iranians; Saudi Arabians and Afghans? Muslims are the only people who identify themselves and their title as per their religious descriptor - Muslim. A Muslim, sometimes spelled Moslem,[1] relates to a person who follows or practises the religion of Islam,[2] a monotheistic and Abrahamic religion based on the Quran. Muslims consider the Quran to be the verbatim word of God as revealed to the Islamic prophet and messenger Muhammad. They also follow the sunnah teachings and practices of Muhammad as recorded in traditional accounts called hadith.[3] "Muslim" is an Arabic word meaning "one who submits (to God)" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim
Intelligent people have allowed a group of unintelligent morons to control our society by shutting down debates and issues with no facts and evidence, simply by calling the other person or group a racist. This situation has gone on for far too long, and it needs to be rectified. What is currently happening is no different to what transpired during the "Spanish Inquisitions". Innocent people were tortured; condemned and killed based on NO evidence and NO facts. We need to be fighting back, and showing everyone these attacks and allegations of racism against Muslims are spurious.
I think some need to stop being so precious about word meanings. Anyone who devalues a person or a group of people because of race is a racist. And yes, if someone calls someone a name relating to their race, they are devaluing that race so therefore can be classified a racist. Most Muslims come from Middle East, North Africa and are generally darkish skinned. What's to say that the underlying issues aren't racism. Proponents of immigration from Muslim countries are in their right to question what they see is a likely underlying issue....racism. If M2 thinks that people want to stop Muslims from coming here are racist then he could well be right. I think some just want to shape the discussion to suit their arguments and others are just pedantically nonsensical. Get off your high horses and stop being petty.
This is jibbering TV. As I stated in my post I have no problem with Cats opinion. Only the way in which the word Racism is used, or incorrectly used for effect to be more precise. It is not a loose term, but is being used very loosely. To be called a racist because you have an opinion that is different about a religion is not just wrong, in itself it is degoratory because of its inaccuracy. It is akin to being called a paedophile because you love kids. It wont do and it has to stop. You have requested that some need to stop being so precious about word meanings?? Well I guess we can then assume that coon, and boong, and (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) can also be as loosely viewed as you seem to wish that the term racist should be. I don't think so. Get the terminology right and stop watering down the true meaning of the word racist.
Hanson's track record on race issues is cemented in history for all to see. Does she have an issue with people from other races.....Dam straight! Are people calling her a racist because she simply opposes Islam.....NO....they're calling her out because it obviously correlates with her previous stances on race. Racism at its core is obviously about superiority/inferiority. What I'm saying is that it is not a one dimensional term. I notice people want to box it up and limit its meaning. The term can be used to expose blatant undertones on a given issue that under the surface is racism. Yes, those derogatory terms used for aborigines are racist. Why are they racist? Because it devalues a race, which in effect has superiority undertones. That can't be too hard to understand Slippery. So no, the term is not used loosely, it is used to the full effect and calls out the pretenders. So you need to add a bit of water slippery so that the word can be fully understood. Like mixing cement, if you don't add enough water the mix will be a crumbling catastrophe. (Pretty lame analogy...I know)
slippfish, I have no problem with your answer in regards to my post. You well might be right there and there aren't too many in this Aussie section to whom I look up to. However, in regards to racism this is a difficult subject. I give you an example. Some time ago I watched some people driving along the Mandurah foreshore yelling at a group of Indians or Pakistanis, basically they were told to go home where they came from. The other swearwords I won't repeat. I think I am right to assume that many Indians are Hindus, so what could have been the reason for those bogans to yell at this group of people? Yelled at them because they were darker skinned, yelled at them because they were Indians, yelled at them because they most likely were Hindus or just yelled at them because they were foreigners? I call anyone a racist who shows some brownish tendencies. I might well be too little educated to get the damned meaning of racism right...... Cheers
TV you don't need to add water if it is used properly and in the right context. Context is everything in the English language, and incorrect context can take a debate in an entirely different direction. Racism is racism and you clearly understand the exact terminology of the word. Everyone discriminates in one way or another, it is being human, but not every human is racist, even though they do discriminate. It is simple really, Racism is as you have interpreted, but is confined to race, hence the term racism. Everything else is discrimination, including religious orientation. I was going to give you an analogy, but alas it was as weak as yours, so I thought better of it. LOL
