Rape IS a sex motivated crime.

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    Attackers in India rape case to face murder charge
    Dec 29,`12 -- Indian police charged six men with murder on Saturday, adding to accusations that they beat and gang-raped a woman on a New Delhi bus nearly two weeks ago in a case that shocked the country.
     
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    How India treats its women
    29 December 2012 - People have called her Braveheart, Fearless and India's Daughter, among other things, and sent up a billion prayers for a speedy recovery.
    See also:

    India mourns Delhi rape victim with candlelit vigils
    29 December 2012 - The woman's ordeal has provoked an outpouring of grief and anger
     
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    Waltky, the case you mention is odd & strange. Most rape/sex abuse cases aren't covered in the press as they're usually he says, she says cases where the prosecution argues the woman was forced to have sex & or that the man used criminal threats to get the woman to have sex with him while defense will say that the woman did the sex acts agreed to while they didn't do what both said no to. & again, it's possible for a person to first agree & then change mind & say no-it's also possible for a person to first say no but then voluntarily change mind & agree to do something. You must judge each case individually. Most rape/sex abuse cases don't get reported in the press because they just aren't interesting for news. With the case in India, again, that's world news because it's odd & strange. Those men did it for sexual pleasure. Here's something to add-what do you or any1 here think of a woman defense lawyer who would defend a man accused of rape-yes every1 innocent or guilty has a right to a defense lawyer but what about a woman defense lawyer who represents rape suspects including those she knows are guilty :?
     
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    In india most weddings are arranged, so you have a lot of lower caste guys who couldn't get a wife no matter how hard they try.
     
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    Don't generalize by media-theydiscusses things which are odd & strange. In the past most weddings are arranged, but don't know how much it is now. In India, their idea of relationships are different. There's nothing wrong with arranged marriages if both the husband & wife are happy with this. With the lower caste men, it would be right to say that most rapes are committed by lower caste men who would have problems getting women. But even lower caste men would usually find a lower caste woman to marry & have kids with which is how you get more lower caste people. With 1 billion in India & as India has high poverty, most of the poor in India do get married & have children. It still remains the same that sex is a large motive when it comes to rapes including in India & most women who are raped are in fertile years. Most men in India do not rape & again, don't judge a nation by what some men did on the bus wherea woman was raped and murdered. :skull: If you have thoughts, then give your view including what do you think of women defense lawyers who represent rape suspects.
     
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    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201104/is-rape-about-control-or-sex

    1. Rapes are found in the animal world. They're found amongst insects such as crickets, waterstriders, scorpion flies, etc. They're found amongst birds such as mallard ducks & red jungle fowl. They're also found amongst primates such as Orangutans. Males rape females for reproductive reasons in the animal world. A male who has problem getting females (such as males who lose mate fights) rape females so as to reproduce.

    2. Rapists mainly target young women, while rapists can attack women of all ages, most rapists go after women who are girls to 35 years old. 75% of women who are raped are under 30 years old, 10 to 12% of women raped are 30 to 35 years old, 7 to 9% 36 to 39 year old, with 5 to 8% of women rape victims being 40 or older with most in this group in their 40s, the last pretty years. Menopausal women, those 50 & older make up 1 to 2% of rape victims. After 40, the woman's chances of getting raped starts going down significantly. If a man robs a 45 year old woman, he'll take her money. But if the same man robs a 25 year old woman, then he is more likely to commit rape in addition to robbery. This is true in wars. Soldiers who win a war steal, loot & rape young women. Men rape young women because the woman has something which the man wants & that is sex-which he takes by force or by threatening force.

    3. Most rapists don't do added violence. This is esp. true of acquaintance rapes-date & marital. If a man rapes a woman, he'll use the force or threat of this to get sex. It's like a bank robber. Most bank robbers will only use the needed force or threat to get the $ & then leave. Another reason most rapists don't use added violence is because of biology related to reproductive success. In the animal world, if a male kills a female in addition to sex, then his reproductive success has failed. Yes, some rapists do kill their victims just as some robbers kill their victims, but these are in the minority & the most likely reason is to kill any witnesses.

    4. Poor men are more likely to commit rape. Yes, rich men sometimes commit rape if they lack sex restraint. However the reason poor men are more likely to commit rape (with most of their victims poor women) is because poor men are more likely to have problems getting women. Women are drawn to men based on the man's phoenotype (good genes) & resources that a man has. Poor men are more likely to have problems getting women who are interested in them & they may not even be willing to pay a prostitute. So they resort to rape for their sexual motives. In the animal world, males have to impress females such as win mate fights, provide nuptial gifts such as food to impress the females. If the females aren't impressed, then some males rape so as to reproduce.
     
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    You clearly didn't read the article - it mentioned that 'date rape' (ex. drugging a woman so that you can have sex with her while she's unconscious) is generally more of a "sex motivated crime". Rape of someone close to you (ex. a friend or family member) or 'statuatory rape" (sex with a person below the age of consent) might be more sex-motivated crimes.

    However violent rape, or serial rape is more motivated by sexual sadism, and less about a specific attraction to the victim, the attraction is the act of rape itself. If it was simply about 'achieving orgasm' then why rape when you can masturbate? Serial rapists are 'turned on' by the thrill of power over their victim, so achieving orgasm through normal means wouldn't fill that thrill I'm guessing

    This is a bunch of original research and not even supported by the article you listed.
     
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    Doesn't that seem contradictory? In men, you say the homosexual rape turns men into those who like to have sex with men, despite the fact that they are men like their assailants were. In women, you have it turning women against men so much that they want to have sex with other women. If one of those statements is true then the other doesn't make sense.

    Couldn't it be possible that latent homosexuals are more likely to be introduced to their orientation forcefully. Most homosexuals I know of resisted the idea that they were homosexual for a long time, some, possibly, for their whole lives. Bisexuals, frex, often never have a same sex experience and it seems to cause them no lasting harm

    Mind, I am not trying to argue that the rapist is doing the latent homosexual a favor. According to Masters and Johnson (now the subject of a sitcom, if you can believe it) people's sexuality is actually a continuum from total man attraction to total woman with bisexuals right between.
     
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    Bisexual is just another word for gay and lesbian. any behavior including sexual behavior can be learned by what 1 sees in youth. Sex abuse in youth can cause people to behave in ways they wouldn't have. Childhood sex abuse does cause adult gay/lesbian behaviors for some and it's undebatable truth. 33% of gays report homosexual rape in youth. Many gays and lesbians who commit suicide do so because they often were childhood sex abuse victims and many have other copathologies such as antisocial conduct, drugs, etc. Sex abuse especially homosexual rape in youth is major cause of homosexuality & transexuality-those who deny it are dishonest, delusional or both. It remains to be seen how many of Gerald Arthur (Jerry) Sandusky's victims will think think they're gay or worse transexual because of this. Gerald Arthur (Jerry) Sandusky and Harvey B. Milk homolested young boys because they liked doing it for pleasure and are homolesters. See this column by Peter J. LaBarbera on Gerald Arthur (Jerry) Sandusky below:

    CHICAGO—The discovery that former Penn State University defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky has been molesting boys as young as 10 years old – has shocked America. Peter J. LaBarbera, president of Americans For Truth About Homosexuality (AFTAH), said the scandal exposes the continuing problem of homosexual predators in society. He offers the following observations related to the PSU scandal:

    Many openly homosexual (“gay”) men, like CNN anchor Don Lemon, were molested as boys or experienced abnormally early sexualization. Yet many of these same men do NOT see their boyhood victimization at the hands of homosexual male predators as causing their homosexuality. (This is due partly to the success of the modern “gay” movement that falsely ascribes “gayness” to a person’s (innate) identity, and emphasizes the ambiguous notion of “sexual orientation” as opposed to behavior that is sinful, destructive and changeable.) Thus, how many boy victims of homosexual predator Sandusky will end up believing that being homosexual (“gay”) is “who they are”? How many will struggle with sexual identity issues? And how many will be told by LGBT advocates and liberal-minded people just to “accept being gay” as “who they are” because they were “born that way”?

    Because the media and academia have largely become apologists for the modern homosexualist movement, they downplay or ignore obvious causative factors in the formation of “gay” identity – including pederastic molestation. CNN’s Lemon is a case in point: he is now an “out gay” celebrity, yet few question the absurdity of him not associating the molestation of his youth with his later embrace of homosexuality as a positive identity. There IS a long history connecting homosexuality to pederasty, and a disproportionate link between homosexuality and pedophilia: why else would so many child molestation victims be boys when only 1-3 percent of the population is homosexual? Since cases of women molesting boys remain rare, if homosexuality were not such a strong factor, nearly all of pedophile victims should be girls, which is far from the case. Sandusky is married but obviously has a homosexuality (perversion) problem. Yet pro-“gay” liberals will deny any linkage between homosexuality and Sandusky’s rape/seduction of boys. In fact, after news of the Penn State scandal came to light, “gay” activists stressed that Sandusky is married and that most pedophile cases involve “straight, married men.” However, behavior is what matters – not a person’s marital status or self-described “sexual orientation.” Sandusky was married but was he really “straight” (sexually or morally)? Some inner demons or life traumas – probably in his own youth – caused him to lust for boys, wrecking untold misery in the lives of his victims. Behavior is the issue, and this was a case of a serial homosexual predator raping boys.
     
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    SpaceCricket79, most rapes are acquaintance and date rapes that you wrote about in 1st paragraph they usually don't make it in the news unless it's a famous person accused because it's not interesting. Serial rapists are a minority of rapists-those who use added violence such as killing victim are a minority. Thornhill and Palmer in their book have said that even these rapists say that sex is a large motive to why they do it. Again, 84% of rapists say they do it for sexual motives, which includes serial and sadistic rapists.

    There are other motives in addition to sex such as sadism and power. What is wrong is when people say that sex has nothing to do with rape-rapes would not happen if the rapist did not want sex. Sex has alot to do with rape only that there can be other added motives. It's like robbery. When a man robs a bank, money has alot to do with why he robs the bank, but there can be added motives such as thrill of not getting caught, power knowing trouble you went to in order to commit the robbery and so on. Anyhow, that's been the idea. Sex has alot to do with rape just as money has alot to do with bank robbery-only that added motives can exist . Also psychologists have biases such as during the 1970s and 1980s there were psychologists saying that that only 2% of rape accusaions are false, but that 2% # has been debunked because as most rape cases are he says she says cases, there's no reliable way of knowing how many are true and how many are false as the only 2 people who usually know are the suspect and alleged victim. Rest of my post copies/pastes first 2 of what was written in my other post because they need to be repeated.

    1. Rapes are found in the animal world. They're found amongst insects such as crickets, waterstriders, scorpion flies, etc. They're found amongst birds such as mallard ducks & red jungle fowl. They're also found amongst primates such as Orangutans. Males rape females for reproductive reasons in the animal world. A male who has problem getting females (such as males who lose mate fights) rape females so as to reproduce.

    2. Rapists mainly target young women, while rapists can attack women of all ages, most rapists go after women who are girls to 35 years old. 75% of women who are raped are under 30 years old, 10 to 12% of women raped are 30 to 35 years old, 7 to 9% 36 to 39 year old, with 5 to 8% of women rape victims being 40 or older with most in this group in their 40s, the last pretty years. Menopausal women, those 50 & older make up 1 to 2% of rape victims. After 40, the woman's chances of getting raped starts going down significantly. If a man robs a 45 year old woman, he'll take her money. But if the same man robs a 25 year old woman, then he is more likely to commit rape in addition to robbery. This is true in wars. Soldiers who win a war steal, loot & rape young women. Men rape young women because the woman has something which the man wants & that is sex-which he takes by force or by threatening force.
     
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    rule 10 challenge. provide your evidence milk molsested anyone or retract your claim
     
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    Again, this poster has said that there are other motives to rape. Yes, there are rapists who also do it for the thrill and power motives. Yes, there are rapists who maim and kill their victims. But those are motives in addition to sex. The psychology today article themselves say what has been said by me-rape has different motives-sexual motive, thrill motive. My topic here is that the comment 'sex has nothing to do with rape' is wrong. Sex has alot to do with rape, only that other motives can also be there why a man rapes a woman and that power, thrill and sadism are added motives to sex. Rest is repeat because anything else we say reruns what we have been talking about.

    1. Rapes are found in the animal world. They're found amongst insects such as crickets, waterstriders, scorpion flies, etc. They're found amongst birds such as mallard ducks & red jungle fowl. They're also found amongst primates such as Orangutans. Males rape females for reproductive reasons in the animal world. A male who has problem getting females (such as males who lose mate fights) rape females so as to reproduce. Rape can be done for reproduction among people. During WW2 in Rape of Nanking and in Phillipines Japanese soldiers killed a Filipina and Chinese woman's husband and her children and then raped the women to start families with the women whose husband and children were killed. But pregnancies from rapes in wars show that reproduction is a result of rape. Don't know if the Japanese soldiers were thinking of reproducing but that is the result of the rapes. This is found among animals where a lion, orangutan, langur etc. will kill or drive out mate and young of a female and then start their own families with the female whose young they killed.

    2. Rapists mainly target young women, while rapists can attack women of all ages, most rapists go after women who are girls to 35 years old. 75% of women who are raped are under 30 years old, 10 to 12% of women raped are 30 to 35 years old, 7 to 9% 36 to 39 year old, with 5 to 8% of women rape victims being 40 or older with most in this group in their 40s, the last pretty years. Menopausal women, those 50 & older make up 1 to 2% of rape victims. After 40, the woman's chances of getting raped starts going down significantly. If a man robs a 45 year old woman, he'll take her money. But if the same man robs a 25 year old woman, then he is more likely to commit rape in addition to robbery. This is true in wars. Soldiers who win steal, loot & rape young women. Men rape young women because the woman has something which the man wants & that is sex-which he takes by force & or by threat.
     
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    While 1 doesn't have to agree with all the #s, see http://www.rccmsc.org/resources/get-the-facts.aspx Rest is copy paste because it needs repeating.



    1. Rapes are found in the animal world. They're found amongst insects such as crickets, waterstriders, scorpion flies, etc. They're found amongst birds such as mallard ducks & red jungle fowl. They're also found amongst primates such as Orangutans. Males rape females for reproductive reasons in the animal world. A male who has problem getting females (such as males who lose mate fights) rape females so as to reproduce. Rape can be done for reproduction among people. During WW2 in Rape of Nanking and in Phillipines Japanese soldiers killed a Filipina and Chinese woman's husband and her children and then raped the women to start families with the women whose husband and children were killed. But pregnancies from rapes in wars show that reproduction is a result of rape. Don't know if the Japanese soldiers were thinking of reproducing but that is the result of the rapes. This is found among animals where a lion, orangutan, langur etc. will kill or drive out mate and young of a female and then start their own families with the female whose young they killed.

    2. Rapists mainly target young women, while rapists can attack women of all ages, most rapists go after women who are girls to 35 years old. 75% of women who are raped are under 30 years old, 10 to 12% of women raped are 30 to 35 years old, 7 to 9% 36 to 39 year old, with 5 to 8% of women rape victims being 40 or older with most in this group in their 40s, the last pretty years. Menopausal women, those 50 & older make up 1 to 2% of rape victims. After 40, the woman's chances of getting raped starts going down significantly. If a man robs a 45 year old woman, he'll take her money. But if the same man robs a 25 year old woman, then he is more likely to commit rape in addition to robbery. This is true in wars. Soldiers who win steal, loot & rape young women. Men rape young women because the woman has something which the man wants & that is sex-which he takes by force & or by threat.
     
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    The 'sex motivation' is the act of rape itself, as explained - therefore it's more of a 'rape' motivated crime, than a conventional motivation, as serial rapists are turned on by the act of rape.

    You're just hung up some personal phobia of sex and ignoring proven science - which is ironically more similar to the psychology of many sexual deviants - it's actually been shown that sexual repression can lead to mental and behavior disorders, as well as sexual fetishes (ex. the serial killer Ed Gein for example)

    "Rapists" opinions also aren't hard science, hard science proves that you're incorrect and simply substituting science with original research
     
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    You're repeating yourself - this has already been debunked - the 'rape' which occurs in the animal world is done for the intent of reproduction, and is pure instinct. The motive of a serial rapist isn't 'reproduction', it's a documented paraphilia (just as the motive of a pedophile, is not 'reproduction').

    Been explained already, "young women" are not exclusively 'more attractive'.

    Also you seem to be distorting the statistics, because you're likely including "statutory rape", or rape of someone close to a person (ex. husband raping his wife), with serial rape. While attraction likely plays a slight role in serial rape (ex. most rapists probably don't rape dogs) - the primary attraction is the act of rape itself - even if said rapist's victim had offered them consensual sex, that would not eliminate the desire for rape, because they are turned on by the act of rape (coercion) itself
     
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    Human rapists don't rape for the purpose of 'reproduction', they rape because of a sadistic paraphilia

    Just as in the animal kingdom, some species (black widows) cannibalize each other, for the purpose of reproduction or survival - but a human cannibal (like Jeffery Dahmer) isn't motivated to kill and eat his victims for 'reproduction' or 'survival', he's doing it because of a sexual deviant gratification
    They rape young women (or women in general) because they are turned on by the act of rape - in serial rapists, the vulnerability of the victim is a higher motive than conventional attraction, since they would not be able to achieve the same thrill through conventional sex - even if said women had no problem having conventional sex with him, he'd still want to rape her

    - you're just parroting now and it's getting a little tiresome - if you'd like to add something which hasn't been thoroughly debunked then please feel free
     
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    With being repetitive, it's not like this topic raises much which is new.

    Rapists opinions do matter because they're the 1s who did it and are saying why they did it and again. Yes, the sex motivation for serial rapists (minority) is the rape itself, but these men like violent sex, so sex has a large motive to it, otherwise they would not have raped. Saying that sex has nothing to do with rape is like saying money has nothing to do with robbery. What you said does not change the fact that the men raped for sex. Violent sex is what they like so it has a sex motive. A rapist who maims and murders their victims also do it for sex. Yes, they like the sadism, violence, but they also want the sex from it.

    Rapists do target their victim based on attractiveness. Thornhill and Palmer have found that some rapists do go after women by the way the woman is dressed, such as if a woman is dressed provocatively then yes, she is more likely to be target of some rapists.

    Ethnic cleansing in wars is proof of rape can be done for reproduction among people. During WW2 in Rape of Nanking and in Phillipines Japanese soldiers killed a Filipina and Chinese woman's husband and her children and then raped the women to start families with the women whose husband and children were killed. But pregnancies from rapes in wars show that reproduction is a result of rape. Don't know if the Japanese soldiers were thinking of reproducing but that is the result of the rapes. This is found among animals where a lion, orangutan, langur etc. will kill or drive out mate and young of a female and then start their own families with the female whose young they killed. So yes, people can rape for reproduction.

    Some men have problems getting women and can't even get a prostitute. A few of these men rape women because this is how they think they can get women.

    A man who rapes a 10 year old girl (child molestation) does this because he likes to have sex with little girls. Child molestation is rape and it's done for sex motive.

    Most date and acquaintance rapes happen (again seen these trials) because man wants sex, women doesn't and man uses force, violence and or threats to get it. Sometimes there could be initial consent such as kissing, women says no further but the man who wants it forces her to do it with threats of violence. Defense will say a different story such as they did acts agreed to (such as penis/vaginal sex) and that they did not do what they said no to. Or that a woman first said no but then voluntarily changed her mind (w/o force or threats) and decided to do it. Just as people can change their mind from yes to no, people can also change mind from no to yes. Jury decides which story is believable.

    There is nothing any1 can tell me which changes fact that sex is a large motive for rape because that is a fact which is not debatable. Soldiers who win a war steal, loot & rape young women as they did in Rape of Nanking but usually did not go after menopausal women. Men rape young women because the woman has something which the man wants & that is sex-which he takes by force or by threatening force. 75% of women who are raped are under 30 years old, 10 to 12% of women raped are 30 to 35 years old, 7 to 9% 36 to 39 year old, with 5 to 8% of women rape victims being 40 or older with most in this group in their 40s, the last pretty years. Menopausal women, those 50 & older make up 1 to 2% of rape victims. After 40, the woman's chances of getting raped starts going down significantly because that is when her looks start to fade. Sex is a motive to why rapes happen including violent and serial rapists. Yes, sadistic and violent rapes including serial rapes have the thrill to it, but even here rapists usually discriminate on which women they want to rape because it's on who they find attractive.



    A 25 year old woman can put up better fight against a rapist vs. a 65 year old woman with arthritis and other slow mobility, but most rapists do not want the 65 year old woman because she is not attractive to them. Menopausal women are more likely to be robbed than young women, so that disproves your comment about young women being more vulnerable. Most rapists want young women because this is who they find attractive and rapists themselves say it.
     
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    Their 'opinions' don't matter when confronted by basic psychology not to mention they could easily be lying, or unable to understand their motives.

    The violence is the primary motive, so you're just splitting hairs - it is a 'sex' motive, but the act of rape is where they get their sexual arousal - your basically regurgitating an argument that rape is a desire that 'normal men' have, therefore women are 'to blame' for being raped, but that is false, because a normal, psychologically healthy man would have no desire to rape or harm another individual for their own gain.

    Ultimately the attraction is the rape itself, so the 'attractiveness' level is a secondary motive at best.

    Serial rapist/killer Ted Bundy for example was considered very charming and handsome (he even got marriage proposals while in prison) - so he wouldn't have had a hard time just 'getting sex' if that's what he wanted, but he didn't want conventional sex, he was turned on by the act of rape and violence.

    There's another serial rapist/killer Russel Williams as another example - he was a highly respected Canadian special forces colonel and married to a wealthy woman - so he's not some shut-in who'd have 'had a hard time getting sex', and he had more than enough money to buy all of the high class prostitutes he wanted even if he needed a new woman every night - however he still chose to pursue serial rape - because the attraction is the act of rape - which is why men like this (who'd have no problem 'getting laid') chose to engage in a much riskier way to 'achieve gratification', and end up in prison over it.

    That was mandated as part of Japan's military policy - the 'actual desire' of the soldiers commuting the rapes was not reproduction, or to raise a family - it was to have their way with a vulnerable victim. - your distortions are becoming more silly.
    That's statistically incorrect - the majority of rapists (such as Ted Bundy, or Col Russell Williams) like i mentioned would have had no problem just 'getting laid', they are turned on by the act of rape, and choose to pursue it instead of conventional sex - in order to commit rape, you'd likely have to be sociopathic as well

    People like you described are more likely to be in committed relationships with their hand.
    It's done for a paraphilic motive, not a 'conventional sex' motive - and definitely not for 'reproduction' (contradicting your other argument).

    The act of rape is the primary attraction - while it makes sense that they might prefer to rape a 25 year old woman, versus say a horse - the reason they choose to rape a versus conventional sex, is because they are attracted to the act of rape - what a rapist (as opposed to a psychiatric professional) says is more or less irrelevant

    You're also distorting the statistics as mentioned, by including 'statutory rape' or rape of someone close, as opposed to serial rape

    At this point you're just ignoring science and posting original research and unsubstantiated claims, which I suspect to be motivated by some personal "anti-sex" agenda and nothing else
     
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    FINALLY we get to the OP's REAL point....Women DESERVE to get raped because their tits are too big, or they're nice looking. ...Uh huh, OK, we got it now. Next, How bullying victims cause their own problems by being smaller than their assailants and then how stores cause thievery by making merchandise look attractive..
     
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    Wrong. If a man rapes a woman including a woman who is provocatively dressed & or if a woman is promiscuous, then he must still go to prison. It's like if I leave all the doors to my house open and thieves steal, then the thief must still go to prison. However, if I had kept my doors locked, my chances of getting robbed would be less. Some rapists do go after woman based on how they are dressed and yes, there are individual rapists who target women based on her being dressed sexily or provocatively. That is fact and Thornhill and Palmer have talked of men who do this. They found that when you have more men than women, the women tend to dress less provocatively. But when you have more women than men, then provocative dressing by women is more. What was said are statistical facts. Did not say that they deserved to be a rape victim. To other things written.

    As to rapists motives, you have to go by what the rapist says. If a rapist says he did it for sexual motive, that's not going to reduce his sentence. If a person is going to lie, they usually will do it because there has to be a benefit. It's possible they don't understand their motives, but a rapist saying he did it for sex (again 84%) shows him understanding his motives to me.

    With me being criticized for raising child molestation, statutory rape, acquaintance rape such as marital and date rape, those are what most rapes are. And yes, normal men rape just as normal men can steal. Case. Let's say you have a party where a young woman gets drunk, possibly passes out. A group of young men see their chance to have sex with her so they have sex with her while she is senseless. Incidentally, a sex act can be rape if 1 is so intoxicated that they can't understand what they are doing and if this is reasonably known to other person. What those men did is rape for sexual pleasure. They saw a pretty woman drunk and or passed out @ the party, saw their chance to have sex and they did it with her. People who commit rapes, theft, do it because they believe they can get away with it. The men who had sex with a drunk passed out woman @ the party did it because they wanted sex and they believed they could get away with it. Some1 told me of a case in 1990 when I was in college. What had happened was that a woman had agreed to have sex with a man @ a party. The man then told his friends 'free for all' and 4 other men proceeded to have sex with this woman though she said no. The 4 men who raped her did it because they wanted to have sex with her, though she did not. Again, most rapes are the date/acquaintance rapes and yes, sex is main motive to why it's done.

    Can rape be intended for procreation among people? Wars is the closest eg. It would not be surprising if some of the Japanese soldiers who raped Chinese and Filipina women after killing the woman's husband and family were thinking of reproduction-only the soldiers knew if this was their motive. People can be complicated in their thinking and yes, there are individual men who do rape for procreation such as in wars. These cases are rare but it is possible. The military brothels which the Japanese military had where women from Korea, China, etc. were forced into prostitution, the Japanese soldiers had sex with these women because they wanted to have sex. Possibly in the Japanese soldiers mind, they rationalized it to believe the woman wanted to have sex with them-the intent was sex.

    But most men who rape women do have problems getting women. Poor men rape more than rich men because they are not desirable to most women. Successful men such as Theodore Robert Bundy is an exception. A rich man such as Donald J. Trump has no need to rape because there are so many women willing to sleep with them.

    Serial rapists are the minority of rapists. Most rapists do not maim or kill their victims. Most rape trials (again I've been to them) do not get covered in the news because there are so many of them (he says she says cases). People commit violence to get many things whether it's money, cars and yes, sex. It is incidentally biologically possible for a woman to rape a man as a man can get an erection in situations such as gunshot wounds, stab wounds, etc. But normal men can and do commit rape. The Japanese soldiers who raped Chinese, Korean and other women in brothels where the women were forced into prostitution were usually normal men. Rapes happen because again, among other reasons the man thinks he can get away with it. Sex is a large motive as to why rapes happen and this is true for acquaintance, date and marital rapes which are what most rapes are. With serial rapes, Okay there is the thrill as to why they do it, but again, the sex motive which is the rape act is why they did it.
     
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    http://www.drtraycehansen.com/Pages/writings_politics.html

    'But sadistic rapists are the exception and not the rule and are readily differentiated from most rapists by their tendency to mete out more violence than is necessary to subdue their victim. The majority of rapists, however, both stranger and “date,” use only enough aggression to accomplish their sexual goal. This is where feminists and others have become “confused”; they’ve obscured the distinction between the tactics used and the goals sought during rape. For the vast majority of rapists, aggression and control are simply the means to the end, the end being sexual access.'

    'Contradictory research, often referred to by feminists, which claims that rapists report power and control as their motivation, frequently contain serious flaws. For example, many were done with incarcerated rapists, or other rapists who’d already been “re-educated” to give the “correct” response, while still others were done with rapists who may have believed that proclaiming a non-sexual motive was more likely to lead to their being deemed enlightened and thus “cured.” Although self-reporting is by definition biased, the least confounded proclamations by rapists supports the contention that sex is the driving force behind the act of rape.'
     

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