Rashida Tlaib says she's only wearing a mask because of a 'Republican tracker' near her

So my question is this. What are the democrats feelings about their representatives making them wear a mask that they themselves only wear for show? Does this not make democrats feel deceived and subordinate?


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rashida-tlaib-wearing-mask-republican-tracker

 

Like I said, the entire lockdown, mask, vaccine thing is nothing but politics and power....

 

You’re absolutely right. And this should be used as an example of why we shouldn’t force masks in school. Democrats are obviously one of the more naive groups there is to think this was for anything other than to point out the subordinate class of Americans.

 

It's amazing how many only wear them for show and then get caught with their pants down when they think no one is looking.

 

The thing is no Republican anywhere is saying that masks can't be worn, only that they are against forcing people to wear masks. Anyone who wants to wear a mask can wear one and any parent sending their kid to school can have their kid wear a mask. And, most schools have an option for at home learning if you absolutely don't want to go in person for whatever reason, such as other kids might not be wearing masks.

 

Yeah, sure, it's only politics and power. There is no virus. It's a hoax. All those 720,000 people dead? Actors. What about all the other deaths around the world and all the other 209 countries struggling with this? Fake news. There is no coronavirus anywhere in the world. American TV and print media pretend that other countries are also struggling with it. The vaccines? An excuse to make you magnetic (this one, I don't know exactly why) and to inject microchips into you so that Bill Gates controls you.

Yeah, simple things like "there's an airborne virus that is dangerous; masks lower the odds of catching it and there are some free, readily available, safe, and efficacious vaccines out there" are not the simple public health things that they are, and that have been done over and over in the past for other outbreaks of deadly diseases; it's just all politics and power, right? Right?

Sigh...

 

How would you quantify this?

 

I never said that the pandemic is fake or that the vaccine doesn’t work. I’m saying mask mandates are feel good mandates and obviously the democrat leaders know it. This shows they know it. It does absolutely nothing

 

Oh, it does absolutely nothing. Says Joe Knows, a prestigious Physics PhD, and prestigious Epidemiology PhD. Because the Department of Physics of Duke University has demonstrated that certain masks do filter out SARS-CoV-2-laden aerosol, and meta-analyses of almost 30 scientific papers showed a reduction in relative risk of catching Covid-19, MERS, and SARS-1 of 82% with the use of masks. But no, Joe Knows knows best, right? Right? "Masks don't work" = statement of someone who doesn't understand science.

 

Tell that to the representatives that choose to dictate but not follow

 

Certain masks?

 

I know at least a dozen people that have been killed by opiates pumped into our streets by the billions of pills, courtesy of our great pharmaceutical companies. I consider it an emergency. I know no one killed by Covid. I do not consider it an emergency, except in security terms because we have no idea who did this to us, and why.

 

I couldn't care less. I am an independent voter who abhors both parties. I think most representatives from both parties are bastards.

 

Yes, the opiate crisis is a stain in the history of American pharmaceutical companies, no doubt about it. So you have a good point, there.

But what I'm MORE surprised is that you seem to gauge public health problems by the number of people YOU personally know who have been affected by an issue.

So, I guess, for you, since you don't know any of the, wait, let me check the latest number - 729,271 Americans who died of Covid (more than in any other infectious disease outbreak in the entire history of this country, including the Spanish Flu, and more than all American casualties in the major wars, combined!), it certainly means that it is not a big deal, huh?

Wow. Just wow.

OK, then. Opiate overdoses kill about 50,000 per year.

https://www.drugabuse.gov/drug-topi...se deaths rose,2019 to 49,860 overdose deaths.

No doubt, a big problem. But that you consider that a disease that has killed 729,271 (and counting) is not a big deal simply because you don't personally know any of the people killed, is beyond lame. But hey, let's go with it.

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Hear hear, folks, we now have a new method to gauge the seriousness of ANY health problem in our country. Let's just ask GlobalCitizen if he knows people affected by it. Whatever he says, we'll take it for the absolute truth that reflects what goes on for the other 331 million Americans. Great! What a clever method to gauge a problem!

And hey, that's a method we might apply to everything.

Pray tell, GlobalCitizen, do you personally know any NASA astronauts who have been to the Moon? No? OK, we've just settled a debate; I guess the Moon landings were fake after all, huh?

Do you personally know any NFL player? I hope you do, because I love the NFL, but if you don't, I'll have to conclude that the NFL games I see on TV are all fake; likely, computer generated imagery. Darn. I was planning to watch the Rams-Seahawks game tonight! Oh please, do tell me that you do know personally some NFL players so that I know that the game is for real!

Do you personally know any member of the British Royal Family? Because if you don't, we need to urgently change all History books that mention the British Empire. All fake.

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Unbelievable! The things we have the displeasure of reading here, sometimes... [shaking head]

 

No, it means they are partisan just like republicans.

 

How does that make them partisan? This proof that democrat leaders think their subordinate following is nothing more than a political game. The republicans haven’t been hypocrites about it, democrats have.

 

Still partisan.

 

Those are great questions for people who wont mask up. I think the point the OP is trying to make is why the sort of derision you're displaying here is directed at people who oppose mask mandates but NOT the mandaters who refuse to stay masked up themselves.

Is it at least somewhat possible that having an elite political class tell us we must wear masks but they keep not wearing masks themselves might cause some people to think its not as serious as they're claiming?

 

What masks might those be and do states require those masks or does any mask work? Those mask mandates are nothing but dictators laughing at their subordinate populace because there is no mandate for N95 masks.

 

Please find ONE post of mine where I defended mask mandates.
For your information, I never did, and I always insisted with education.
Either you're reacting to me with a knee jerk and making assumptions about me, or you have me mixed up with someone else.

 

Why are you talking about mask mandates to me? I'm against mask mandates. I'm just saying, the right masks worn the right way do work. I'd like a comprehensive educational campaign to teach the people about it, together with domestically-manufactured N95s being widely advertised and distributed. I said nothing about a mandate. I think that mandates backfire and I prefer to catch flies with honey than with vinegar.

To answer your question, what masks might those be: generally speaking, the best performing masks are N100 or P100, followed by N95, then FPP2 (European standard), and in the absence of these, an ASTM level 3 facemask provided that it is coupled with a device that enhances the seal, such as neoprene brace, or a silicone brace, or a rigid brace.

I own all of the above options (including the seal-enhancing ones, all three kinds), and wear them depending on what situation I'm facing. Of course in my hospital on occasion I also wear a PAPR for highly contaminated situations, but I don't wear one outside of the hospital. They are available to buy but they cost $1,100 and that's overkill for community-based situations.

As for KN95 masks, I do not recommend them since about 60% of the ones in the American market are counterfeit, so there is just no way to know if they one you got is a knock-off that lacks the filtrating melt blown layer, or is the legitimate product. Since American made N95s are now widely available in the domestic market, there is no more reason to wear a KN95.

Flimsy face masks that are not at least ASTM level 2, without a seal-enhancing device, are not enough protection. Cloth masks aren't, either. Even worse, bandanas and neck gaiters. Actually the Duke University Department of Physics study showed that neck gaiters have a 0% filtration rate against a particulate the size of the coronavirus. That is, they are not effective at all.

All of the above, instead of mandates, should be well-publicized on TV public announcements. In other countries these do exist. To keep my language skills sharp, I watch foreign TV on satellite, and I routinely see very good announcements explaining the ins and outs of masks. That, in my opinion, is better than mandates, but we never did it here.

Yes, state mandates never specified which mask, so people were not getting the correct information, and fulfilled the mandate by simply wearing flimsy face masks, neck gaiters, etc., which are pretty much useless. This is one of the reasons why it's difficult to show any benefit... of course if you wear the wrong mask, the wrong way (all the folks with the mask below the nose) then masks don't work, duh.

Mask mandates without an educational campaign and without providing to the population the high performance masks, of course won't work as well as if people actually decided by themselves, out of an educational campaign and mask distribution, to wear N95s with a good seal.

 

I never said you did. Can you point to ONE post of yours where you admonish the maskless mask-mandaters as much as those that oppose masks?

 

Why would I be posting about that? I am FOR the use of masks (N95 at least, with good seal) but I'm not for mask MANDATES. Not being for mask mandates doesn't take anything out of my opinion that masks (the right ones, worn the right way) are a great epidemiological tool to deal with an airborne virus. Yes, I do have a low opinion of people who won't wear masks because of MY FREEEEEEDOOOOOOMS!!! That's incredibly stupid, sorry. There's a dangerous virus out there, so all measures to decrease the odds of getting infected are desirable. So, someone to deliberately expose him/herself to the virus just to "own the liberals" is extremely boneheaded.



This said, this is an opinion I vent here, but when I talk to my patients, I'm very respectful and understanding (which is the right attitude; if you're confrontational and offensive, you've already lost any possibility that the patient will cooperate).

 

If you watch the video its sounds a lot closer to Cracker then Tracker just saying....

 

That seems like a lot of deflection to avoid a question... I'll try to make it more simple in case you just misunderstood:

How do you feel about politicians who want others to mask up but frequently do not do so themselves?

I think they're disingenuous hypocrites who can't possibly be as worried about spreading covid as they claim they are.