READ: House Republican witness list for impeachment hearings

So that's an even worse defense for trump because that just doubles down on the notion that trump was going outside the ordinary bounds of state Department protocol by placing his personal legal interests over national security and international diplomatic decisions.

That's a reason why Giuliani's latest tweet where he said he was acting solely on behalf of Trump as a personal attorney resulted in a lot of legal experts arguing that he had issued a smoking gun.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profil...e-smokingest-of-guns-on-ukraine-a-confession/

 

In a real court of law, the defense team can call any witness they damn well please.

What are the Democrats afraid of?

 

Biden's son!? Good lord, what next, the Ukrainian Army Chief of Chief of Staff's secretary? I had some misgivings about the wisdom of vetoing Republican calls for witnesses. Then again, I was equally troubled about the kind of nonsense the Republicans were certain to devise. Clearly the GOP had to be reigned in because they would call a ton of irrelevant witnesses to deflect from the matter at hand. Well, that is what happened - no surprise. A couple names on the list might make it through but the whistleblower and his pals!?

 

I don't know if that is a defense they plan on using. It's just something I was speculating on. That said, there is nothing illegal about 'going outside the ordinary bounds of State Dept protocol". Nothing at all.

 

The whole allegation that the Ukraine was involved in hacking the DNC is pure BS. We have competent people in every one of our security agencies. All of them say it was Russia. The Ukraine had nothing to do with it. There never was a DNC server so there never was a "missing" DNC server.

Joe Biden was absolutely clear about why he wanted the corrupt Ukrainian prosecutor removed. There was never any investigation into Hunter Biden. There was an investigation into Burisma, which concluded long before Biden made his trip to the Ukraine. It concluded without charges. There isn't a hint of corruption in any of the Bidens activities.

By the way, the Steele dossier is opposition research. It was originally contracted for by a Republican supporter of Ted Cruz. Steele said from the getgo that he had no verification of the pee tape. Trump is a very petty man. When Cruz dropped out, his supporter cancelled the investigation. Steele was alarmed by what he had found and gave a copy to the FBI and to Sen. McCain. I don't know who informed the DNC about the dossier, but they decided to reopen the investigation. One of Clinton's PACs made a donation to the DNC. Some of that money may have gone towards completing the report.

There's a law that governs whistleblowing. It entitles the whistleblower to complete anonymity. Someone on Nunes' staff leaked the name although it has not been verified. He should be prosecuted.

 

very reasonable list democrats should agree instantly

 

Actually his name is R. David Edelman, and he had nothing to do with any of this. He left the White House when Obama did.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumpkins-thought-this-man-was-the-whistleblower-they-were-wrong

 

Prosecute away. Schiff posted the guy's name on the congressional website. What do you think his bail should be?

 

Nope. There's a group of former IC analysts have concluded that the DNC emails were leaked via a USB drive by looking at the meta data as did an independent analyst in Europe.

Completely FALSE.

https://johnsolomonreports.com/debu...-myths-about-biden-and-election-interference/

Myth: Ukraine’s investigation into Burisma Holdings was no longer active when Joe Biden forced Shokin’s firing in March 2016.

The Facts: This is one of the most egregiously false statements spread by the media. Ukraine’s official case file for Burisma Holdings, provided to me by prosecutors, shows there were two active investigations into the gas firm and its founder Mykola Zlochevsky in early 2016, one involving corruption allegations and the other involving unpaid taxes.

In fact, Shokin told me in an interview he was making plans to interview Burisma board members, including Hunter Biden, at the time he was fired. And it was publicly reported that in February 2016, a month before Shokin was fired, that Ukrainian prosecutors raided one of Zlochevsky’s homes and seized expensive items like a luxury car as part of the corruption probe. You can read a contemporaneous news report about the seizure here.

Burisma’s own legal activities also clearly show the investigations were active at the time Shokin was fired. Internal emails I obtained from the American legal team representing Burisma show that on March 29, 2016 – the very day Shokin was fired – Burisma lawyer John Buretta was seeking a meeting with Shokin’s temporary replacement in hopes of settling the open cases.

In May 2016 when new Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko was appointed, Buretta then sent a letter to the new prosecutor seeking to resolve the investigations of Burisma and Zlochevsky. You can read that letter here.

Buretta eventually gave a February 2017 interview to the Kiev Post in which he divulged that the corruption probe was resolved in fall 2016 and the tax case by early January 2017. You can read Buretta’s interview here.

In another words, the Burisma investigations were active at the time Vice President Biden forced Shokin’s firing, and any suggestion to the contrary is pure leftist bullshit

Steele found nothing. He testified in a depo in Europe that his "dosier wasn't worth the paper it was printed on."

More leftist bullshit. The IG is compelled to protect the name. The media is free to reveal it. It's been out there since at least Oct 3. The NY slimes posted his bon fides in such detail that anyone that knew the player s knew it was ciaramella. And E.C. is NOT a whistle blower. He's a leaker as is Vindman, and should be prosecuted as the president's conversations are privileged, and not under the umbrella of the whistle blower law.

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He who controls the info controls the people..


I don't trust a damn word from anyone.

There is no such thing as news anymore.. there is no real fact checking..
And everyone is full of crap.

Everyone!

 

Schiff did no such thing.

 

You don’t even care that this 100% not Eric Ciaramella do you?

 

I am most shocked that they did not try to call Lisa Page and Peter Strzok.

 

To quote Matthew Whitaker, "Abuse of Power is not a crime."

But there are a whole host of issues, even criminal laws, that crop up when private citizens engage in a pseudo foreign policy. For example, you could run into potential violations when individuals without proper security clearance start getting access to classified documents.

 

Suuuuuure.

 

i fully expect Schiff to give house republicans the finger

 

Much of the reasoning behind not releasing the 'whistle blowers' name or having him testify was that he may be attacked or receive death threats. I don't buy it but if you have some police evidence to the contrary then please link to it.

 

Depends who is issuing the summonses, doesn't it?.

 

Why would they not? What have they got too hid?

 

Well we better impeach Trump then. That's a real solid case.

 

As I said in the OP, most of these requested witnesses are irrelevant to whether Trump abused his power or obstructed justice.

 

No, they can't. They can call a witness who is competent to give admissible and RELEVANT evidence.

 

Police evidence? The FBi investigated a threat to his lawyers who were threatened with a bullet to the head. Does that count?

 

It is a matter of avoiding irrelevant testimony and an effort by Republicans to make impeachment about Biden and Hillary Clinton.

 

I don't think they are.. if Biden is guty. Trump gets off scott free with the apologies pf congress