Reasons for Apartheid: From a White South African

Zook. I have said this so many times now, please listen, it is important: FACTS ARE YOUR FRIENDS! The two countries with the highest per capita per rates are Honduras and El Salvador. South Africa falls way below a list of South American countries as a matter of fact including Venezuela and Guatemala.

Want to try again?

AH
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...-the-world/2011/12/26/gIQAehQKJP_graphic.html

 

And just what race are you, AfricanHope?

My racism is natural, rational and logical. The experiences I've been through with blacks in the various majority black neighborhoods I've lived in I wouldn't wish upon my very worst enemies.

South Africa has a murder rate of around 63 per DAY!

Most White Scandianavian countries don't see that many in a YEAR!

http://plaintruthmagazine.blogspot.com/2009/01/south-africa-is-crime-murder-capital-of.html

http://www.rape.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=875

South Africa is literally the hell hole of the planet. I can't believe you'd even try to defend it.

 

You don’t like decent people because they look like people who have been bad to you i get it

 

Out of the thousands and thousands of black "people" I've met, I could probably count the amount I considered "decent people" on the fingers on both of my hands. I just don't particularly feel like taking the chance anymore.

Do you get it now?

 

Again Zook, Please explain how other people, like myself, can live amongst blacks, more than you ever can dream of, and have the opposite view? And have you ever thought that maybe it is not them, it is you?

My race? Well then, my father is a Afrikaner and my mother is British. That would, in your terms, make me white, but having grown up in Africa, my skin is about as close to white as is coffee! But yes, I am of European descent.

Thus according to your measurement, I have more weight in my words than you. Again thank you.

Oh, and nice attempt at deflection, but you said SA has the highest murder rate in the world, I showed you how far off you are, and that the top countries are not African or have many blacks in it, and now you deflect. And I love how you compare SA to Scandinavia! Wonderful. could you also compare the USA to Scandinavia? And can I have some prove for that 63 a day claim (not some blog, who btw says it is a Christian blog, and then has an article saying good riddance that some 'liberal' died! lol, lost what ever little weight it could have had right there!).

Another little fact, did you know that, when it comes to murder, whites per capita commit about as many in SA as do blacks! Here is a few people to look up in your spare time:
Modimole monster
Sunday rapist
Inanada Wife murderer

Some of the most horrific crimes committed in SA last year, and want to guess the race of these monsters?

Zook, get over you fear, that will help you defeat your hate.

AH

 

Yes, you do actually. By my measurements, you absolutely do.

I don't know what your deal is... whether you're pro-crime, you're brainwashed, you have a black lover... but your argument seems bizarre to me. Hardly anyone I know who has grown up in a black majority society talks like you. Every non-black I knew growing up in my majority black neighborhood either hated the sight of blacks for the way they continuously behaved, or were impartial but understood why hatred of blacks existed.

I don't know what your deal is. But your viewpoint doesn't make any sense to me. However, I concede that you have far more authority than me to speak presuming you have lived in the black majority parts of SA and not the cocooned White parts.

The fact is, you have your views and I have mine. I respect your right to ignore black crime and blame your own race for their problems. You should respect my right to call a spade a spade.

You want proof of the 63 murders per day? Sorry... I don't have it. But what I do have is proof it's 60 murders per day. From one of your own newspapers... I'm sure you've heard of News24? Although, why I'm teaching you about your own murder statistics probably explains a lot about your views that blacks aren't quite as bad as I'm portraying them as...

Murder rate killed SA dream
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Politics/FF-Murder-rate-killed-SA-dream-20100427

A Child Is Raped Every 3 Minutes In South Africa
http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/Child-raped-every-3-min-report-20090603

 

Oh goodie, a random picture of senseless violence which proofs, uhm, what exactly? I mean, is this your argument! I can post many pictures of where whites did the same thing in the old SA. What does that prove? That all whites are evil? Nope. It does not prove a thing, just like your ramdom picture does not prove a thing. But hey, keep posting them, I am sure it makes you feel better about your fear. (oh, and you know that victim is black, don't you, I thought the whole argument was about genocide against whites. Have you changed your tune now?)

And Zook. Tell me about these white enclaves in SA where whites are the majority. Would love to know about them. Orania, a little town belonging to a white supremacist group is the only one I know of, and I did not grow up there. Lol. I live in Durban (look in the corner there, see, it says so) where whites are by far in the minority. And you know what, most whites here think like I do. SHOCKING! 99% of whites voted for the liberal DA in the last election, a party that is for multiculturalism, SHOCKING! Less than 1% voted for the white nationalist FF+ (whose speech you linked to). So, uhm, wow, seems many whites agree with me, and not with lunatics. Funny that.

And here was your argument.

Zook: SA has highest murder rate in world!!!!!!
AH: No they don't here is the proof
Zook: SA has more than 63 murders a day!
AH: No they don't. where i your proof.
Zook: SA has 60 murders a day according to the leader of the racist party in SA!

Cone on Zook, stop changing your argument, it weakens it. (and news24 is not a newspaper btw, it is a webpage that collects news from various newspapers around SA. Facts, aren't they nice!).

Let me explain it again, in simpler terms maybe.

I never denied that SA has a huge crime problem. Strange we also have the largest division in wealth in the world. Coincidence? Black South Africans suffer more through crime than white South Africans. As many, per capita, serious crimes are committed by white South Africans than by Black South Africans. the current government is useless when it comes to fighting crime (not because of their colour, before your try that one on me), and crime should be rooted out in SA.

So Zook, most whites here in SA (I hopefully think most of the stupid racists have now fled to Australia) are hopeful about the New SA, and do not want Apartheid back.

So go back to Stormfront, and try and spout your racist arguments there. No one here is buying.

Thank you.

bye

AH

 

I'm not going to school you on your own country and I haven't actually tried to. I've just presented what I've personally read or heard. If you say it's different, then I've already admitted you have far more authority than me to speak.

Like... I... said... I have never heard a non-black who grew up in a majority black neighborhood talk like you before unless there was either something mentally wrong with them, they were pro-crime, they had a black lover or they were a wigger. That's my perspective and I'm entitled to it.

Racism is an ideology. Your personal opinion of it is really of no importance to me, especially as anti-racists who have grown up in a majority black enviroment are an extreme minority in my experience. So no, I won't go to Stormfront actually. I think I'll stay here and use my freedom of speech to continue giving my realistic account of racial and life issues. You can remain and give your bizarre and extremely suspicious views on racism also. Because like racism, anti-racism is also an ideology which is not factually set in stone.

And for the record, I think you'll find that just as many people support my ideology and realistic account of racial issues than they do yours as evidenced by the number of rep points I have gotten in a reletively small amount of posts on this forum. So you are not qualified to speak on who is buying my argument. Concentrate on debating intellectually rather than getting bitter and emotional about my personal views... because trust me, not everyone thinks like you do and the vast majority that do don't have experience of what majority black societies are truly like.

Thank you.

Bye.

 

Or have been brutally killed off by stupid anti-racists like Eugene Terre'Blanche was...

 

Oh Eugene, yes, you mean after he sodomized a black boy. Lol. (do read!)

You are off course free to spout your fearful racism here, and get your silly argument destroyed. I gave you facts, you gave opinion. And I have been here a while, rep points? Wow, your fellow racists (in the minority here) rep you every time your fear shows. I gave you facts again (99% of whites voted liberal in SA).

So yes, I am done with you, please try again when you have facts.

Have a good one!

AH

 

Says who?? The killers? Oh okay then. I'll get right on believing that one.

Actually, you gave me facts about your own silly argument. I really don't care about SA. You're the one that entered the debate late and started rambling about South Africa. My original post that started you off was about my right to my racist views based on my personal experiences and that anti-racists tend to want the whole world to think just like they do. That is a fact.

So, have a good one.

Bye.

 

The problem with racists is that their bigotry blinds them to rational thought. As free people we should never be restricted in our travels and endeavors. Too many racists are too authoritarian which is the antithesis of a free society and people.

 

No they don't. That's completely false. Why would you even think something like that?

If anything anti-racists want the whole world for themselves. They're constantly trying to manipulate and force people to think like them.

It's my right to dislike blacks. It's other racists right to dislike blacks. Disliking blacks has nothing to do with wanting the whole world for ourselves. End of discussion.

I think you have things seriously twisted. It's the ignorant anti-racists that are too authoritarian which is the antithesis of a free society and people. The anti-racists want everyone to think like them and want to ban any criticism of violent black behavior which is proving to be an epidemic all over the world.

The problem with anti-racists is you just can't live and let live. Everyone has to think like you otherwise you make propaganda campaigns and programs designed to brainwash peoples natural views to think just like you.

 

You're right, it is your right to think how you want, but you do not have the right to act on that and enforce something that will hinder other's rights.

No, I don't have it twisted. You're the one pushing for segregation, for government intervention to where one can live and operate in their daily lives. This is not freedom, this is authoritarian by definition.

As I said above, I'm not against thought, I'm against action hinders or interferes with other people's rights and whether you like it or not, black people are entitled to these same natural and inalienable rights as you are -- whether you like it or not.

It appears that neither can you.

 

Never have I ever tried to.

No, I'm pushing for segregation for White-Nationalists only. We deserve our own preserved homeland just like all the other races have. You're the one forcing us to act out your bizarre fantasy of multi-cultural madness. Your way is not freedom, it's authoritarian rule by definition. If I want to move to a place where black "people" don't exist, I should be entitled to. There exists places like that full of blacks for blacks and Chinese for Chinese. But not for Whites.

So yes, you do have things twisted.

Most racists just want a land where it's exclusively White. There are plenty of places where this could be implemented without having to move black "people" around. But you anti-racists would never allow it. You're against freedom and you want the whole world for your bizarre little multi-cultural experiment.

I can and do. You don't.

 

Then you're free to leave the US. The majority of the US doesn't support your fanatical view of racial segregation and I'm pretty sure no state will give up any amount of land to let you have your "homeland". Then again, you could probably just go to the nearest trailer park and find the same thing.

Allowing people to live where they wish is not against freedom, that IS freedom. This is a free country and to put in a system that restricts who can live in a specific area goes against this country's founding doctrines. Segregation is authoritarian, is government intervention, not freedom.

And you're entitled to move where you wish, but in America you cannot stop others from moving into the area.

 

There's no place on Earth you can go where it's strictly Whites. The rest of what you posted here just reaffirms my point. You're the ones acting like authoritarians trying to control the world, not us.

I'm not talking just America. Europe should be strictly for the Whites, just the same as Africa is strictly for the Africans and Asia is strictly for the Asians. By FORCING White countries and ONLY White countries to accept 3rd world integration, you're denying White people their freedom. Believe it or not, not everyone celebrates your wacky multi-cultural experiment.

Do you understand?

But America is not the be all and end all of the world. Anti-racists all over the planet are FORCING their wacky fantasies onto everyone else.

 

There is no controlling, we're just letting people move as they like without interference. Quit trying to throw this back on us. We naturally allow the citizens to move as they see fit, whether you like it or not.

What if I don't to live just in Europe? I like Asia and the South Pacific.

Immigration is a naturally occurring part of life and human interaction. Your racist beliefs doesn't constitute reality.

You realize racism is a bad thing.

 

Nope. You FORCE White people who harbor natural racist beliefs to think like you and live among the very races they don't want to and hate. That's not freedom for the Whites.

There should be preserved homelands for all races. Whites are the only ones that are not allowed that right.

It's unfair on the native people and it completely changes their culture. Whether it occurs or not, there must be preserved lands for each individual race, especially those that desire it. Like race-preservers... White-Nationalists and black-nationalists, etc, etc,.

Stop trying to control the world and enforce your wacky fantasies of multi-cultural madness on those of us that don't want it. Anti-racists won't rest until the control the world and everyone within it.

It most certainly is not.

Anti-racism is a very bad thing though. You do realize that, right?

 

1. Whites, like any other race, have the right to move anywhere they want, and live anywhere they want. However the rights of one person end where another's begin. Therefore your right to live where you please does not extend to the point of being able to change it at the expense of others. Just as you can't force your neighbor to wear the same shoes as you, you can't force him to be of the same race.

2. Two points on your rather wacky idea here. First, by that argument all whites must immediately leave the Untied States and Canada and South Africa. Second, you are free and able to go move the Zimbabwe if you wish, it's your fault if you do but you're free to do so.

3. That's not even worth responding to... it's a scummy and racist statement...

4. I'm glad you think hate is a good thing

 

Interferance of ignorant PC knee jerkers has caused more misery than anything. For example, Australia once had a "White Australia Policy", this was implemented in the 1800`s as a survival measure (Australia would have gone bankrupt if the theft of gold by Chinese hadn`t been stopped), and for humanitarian reasons (it was proven impossible to maintain the strict governmental humanitarian standards for the treatment of South Sea Islander labourers).

Notwithsanding the reality of this policy, and with complete disregard for historical facts, Leftist PC lemmings simply pounced onto the oversimplification of the name of the "White Australia Policy" and wrist flapped themselves all the way to believing an outright lie of their own making.

Leftist thinkers, in their ignorance, today have self satisfied opinion on every subject under the sun, ranging from AGW to the existance of God. These opinions need not be based on fact, but they will forever follow the brainwashing of their "thought controlers", with the true self satisfaction of the genuine ignoramus.

"To a wise man, the world is a constant source of mystery, while the fool will profess to be an authority on all subjects".

 

Uncontrolled racism has let to hatred, violence and restrictions of freedom. Anti-racism has done what that is so terrible exactly?

What is your definition of racism anyway?

 

Exactly the same. You get a select few anti-racist militants that kill or would kill given the chance and you get a select few racists that would kill or would kill given the chance. Incidentally, the most violent, vicious and thuggish of the two groups I witness online are anti-racists. Flag has threatened violence and death at racists for our beliefs lots of times on this very forum. Uncontrolled anti-racism is just as dangerous and violent as racism. It all depends who's behind it, like in every ideology.

My definition of racism is simply not wanting to be around a certain race based on their actions and reputation. It's of my personal belief and experience that the vast majority of black "people" act in an entirely different way to every other race on the planet. I'm as anti-violence, anti-murder and anti-war as any peaceful man you're likely to meet.

Racism doesn't equal violence. Only in extreme cases and that can be said of ALL groups. Extremes of any ideology out there can be very dangerous.

 

Your first argument lacks in that racists wish to force their views upon the world while anti-racists simply wish to stop them from doing so. Consider the Battle of Cable Street, if Oswald Mosley had chose to stay home and spit racism at his basement wall no one would care. Instead he chose to march through the minority-majority East End of London in '36 in an effort to force his views upon them. In response the residents and 300,000 other antifa crusaders came out with bats and knives and forced him to run for his life to police protection, essentially ending the fascist movement in the process. Violence in this context is not only understandable, it is commendable.

As for your second argument, what is your proposed solution? Should whites be kicked out of St. Louis, Detroit, and other urban areas since they're a minority? What about Mississippi? Quite soon whites will be a minority here as well? Should they be ejected?

 

Well, thank you for proving my point for me. 300,000 violent, animalistic, anti-racists came out with bats to beat up a guy for expressing his personal views? Great, well done... I think I've proven my point. Or, you have for me...

I've already explained that Whites deserve a preserved homeland just like every other race demands and GETS in the world. Africa for the Africans, Asia for the Asians and Europe/America for everybody. What about the White population? Don't we get a right to exist? Not in a world full of violent anti-racists who FORCE their beliefs and laws onto those of us that don't share their wacky fantasy land of all different races sitting beneath a giant rainbow holding hands and singing Kumbaya together as one.

I can't believe this is so difficult for you anti-racists to understand. Not everyone thinks like you. You're forcing us to think like you and live like you by denying us our right to live on our own and avoid destructive races.

The only ones who are trying to control the world and its inhabitants are you.