Record homicide rates

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It seems like gun homicide rates have more to do with race relations and other factors, rather than laws concerning guns themselves.

    (Ironically it was the mainstream media that fanned these feelings and got the people riled up, so I guess they don't actually care about gun death rates that much, politics being more important)

    Record Homicide Rates

    Chicago saw its deadliest September in a quarter-century last month with 81 homicides, and at least three more people were killed in a rash of gun violence over the weekend — an ominous sign for October.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/chic...es-last-month-deadliest-september-in-25-years

    St. Louis, Missouri, has matched its all-time record homicide rate weeks after matching its total homicide number for all of 2019, the Associated Press reported.

    St. Louis Matches Its All-Time Record Homicide Rate | The Daily Caller

    Democrat controlled areas.
    BLM to stage massive march in South Chicago to decry this black on black violence on 11/31/2020 so mark your calendars.
     
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    Got a gun problem in your neighborhood? Call a social worker the cops have been defunded.
     
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    I blame the left as much as the right for the problem of gun violence these days.

    A few months ago I witnessed a protest in which people were holding up signs that said "Black Lives Matter" and "Defund the Police". If you defund the police more black lives will be lost. So why would you want to defund the police if black lives truly mattered to you?

    Of course, weak gun laws that criminals can easily circumvent need to be strengthened. You don't hear much about gun violence in Australia.
     
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    We all realize that the only violence that affects people is "gun violence". Just because they use knives more in Australia doesn't mean that violence has disappeared.
     
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    Don't hear much about gun violence in the US state where I live either and there is over 50% gun ownership here.
     
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    How does your gun suicide rate compare to Australia's? How often are guns trafficked to other states?
     
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    Even if guns are not being used in many crimes where you live they could still cause a lot of problems in other locations. Michael Moore's thoughts on the matter in his book Stupid White Men:

    "Nonetheless, we have about a quarter-billion guns in our homes, owned - that is, introduced into society- by white people. Each year about 500,000 guns are stolen, mostly from these same white people in the suburbs. And the vast majority of those guns end up in the inner city, sold cheaply or traded for legal or illegal goods and service.

    "These white guns have caused an enormous amount of death and suffering among African-Americans. Gunfire is the number one cause of death among young blacks. Black men between the ages of fifteen and twenty-four are almost six times more likely to be shot to death than white men in that same age group.

    "No African-American owns a gun company. Cruise through the part of your town where African-Americans live: there are no gun factories there. At prices that range from several hundred to several thousand dollars, most African-Americans can't afford to buy a Glock, Beretta, Luger, Colt, or Smith & Wesson. No black guy owns a plane that's smuggling automatic weapons into the country.

    "All of this is done by whites. But sooner or later, thousands of these legally purchased guns end up in the hands of desperate people who live in poverty and who live with their own set of fears. To introduce guns into this volatile environment- which we white people have done little to improve- is a deadly proposition.

    "So if you're white, and you'd like to help reduce the number one cause of death among young black men, here's the answers: Don't buy a gun. Don't keep one in your house or car. No guns laying means no guns stolen to be resold in poor black neighborhoods. Chill out, sit back, and enjoy the good life an unlevel-playing-field has given you. If you're truly concerned about your protection, get a dog. Bad guys generally don't want to tussle with a crazy barking animal with sharp teeth."
     
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    I don't compare the gun suicide rate, or any other rates in my state, with Australia as it seems completely irrelevant. I don't have the stats on gun trafficking into or out of my state but I believe gun trafficking is illegal. If people are involved in gun trafficking they should be arrested for the crime and if found guilty they should be locked up.
     
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    Why isn't gun suicide relevant? The lax gun laws supported by gun apologists make it easy for guns to be trafficked.
     
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    All anyone need do is comp[are and contrast the gun laws/murder rates of CA and SD.
     
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    I didn't say gun suicide was irrelevant. I said to compare my state to Australia was irrelevant.
    Gun laws are not lax, enforcement of gun laws is lax. You talk of gun trafficking; it is illegal in my state and I believe all states. As for being an apologist, I am no more an apologist for my cause then you for yours.
     
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    Because misery doesn't come from a gun. Suicide rates are higher where guns are illegal. Human nature is to choose the path of least resistance. If someone is going to commit suicide, a gun is the quickest way. The same way blaming guns for suicide/murder is the path of least resistance. Addressing the real issue is too complicated for most people, so they attack the rights of good people. Notice there are no anti-gun protests where most of the murder happens?
     
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    We have more gun shops in my city than grocery stores, we have more grocery stores than gun homocides, I always assumed that was quite normal...
     
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    Yes. Let's blame the white person for lawfully purchasing a firearm and excuse the black person for stealing it and selling it illegally on the streets.
     
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    All I can say is MM is certainly a stupid white man if that’s what he wrote. Holy cow.
     
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    Don't tell the fastest growing gun rights organization in the country. Its 93% African American. The other 7% are folks like me.
     
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    Why are only "gun suicides" important? Are other lives not just as important?
     
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    you mean like actually punishing felons caught with guns or people engaging in straw purchases to get guns for felons

    or do you mean idiotic nonsense such as magazine limits or trying to ban a firearm that is used in less murders than baseball bats?
     
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    Because they cannot be used to support anti-gun narrative.

    To anti-gunners the only death that counts are deaths caused by guns, which speaks volumes of their value of life.

    They are literally the only cause in the world that will stand on a pile of dead bodies to promote their evilness.
     
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    This is the most short sighted nonsense I have ever seen. These shootings are by criminals to achieve criminal goals.
    "Automatic weapons" ? Seriously? I haven't heard of even one shooting the U.S. where a true automatic weapon was used.
    A gun is merely a weapon. If there is intent by one to harm another, and a gun isn't available the assailant will simply use a different weapon. Why is being killed by a gun worse than being stabbed to death?


     
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    That is a totally false statement.

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    My Sister’s Keeper Defense Training

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    Yet another totally false statement and rather bigoted as well. When my business partner and I opened our first gun store in NW Miami, due to it's location and the demographics of the area the majority of our customers are law abiding black Americans, who over the years have bought thousands of firearms from us, at very fair prices commonly no more than 20% over our wholesale price.

    You need to get out of the house a little more and you might discover many, I dare say a majority of black Americans are doing rather well, they have good paying jobs, nice homes and really nice children, some of which as they have grown older came to us for their first time firearm purchases, unlike "some" who think all blacks are dirt poor, uneducated thugs who need white people to watch out for them, we don't see things in black or white, our favorite color is green as in green bills with portraits of passed presidents on them.

    We also do transfers for only $35, which includes the FDLE background check, a customer can purchase a firearm on-line have it shipped to us, when it arrives they come in complete the paperwork, pay that very reasonable fee and go home with their new firearm, if a waiting period does not apply, which we have a easy way get around, for our repeat customers.
     
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    Something similar happened here just last week.

    By Danika J. Fornear

    Caloosa Belle CLEWISTON — A traffic stop turned into a life-threatening situation for a Clewiston police officer on Dec. 10.

    On Thursday, Dec. 10, at around 3:30 p.m., a Clewiston police officer conducted a traffic stop along East Obispo Avenue. The officer was in a marked, city-issued patrol vehicle when he was reportedly ambushed by an individual armed with a knife. The assailant approached the patrol vehicle from behind.

    “ The unidentified individual attempted to stab the officer multiple times while the officer was seated in the officer’s patrol vehicle. During the assault the armed individual verbalized a desire to die,” stated a press release from Clewiston Chief of Police Aaron Angell.

    “ The officer acted swiftly and tactically, defending himself from an armed assailant’s knife and was able to fend off the attack.

    “During the course of the struggle the officer made multiple attempts to call for assistance but was unsuccessful due to failed radio transmissions from the issued hand-held radio. The officer was able to reach the in car radio to request additional units,” the press release stated. “Despite deadly force conditions the officer was able to subdue the armed assailant without injury. Due to the officer’s reactive and tactical response, both officer and the armed assailant were unharmed. The City of Clewiston is beyond proud of this officer’s quick thinking and reverence for life safety for all.”

    The city of Clewiston Police Department has provided available video footage of this incident, stating they released this footage “with the hopes of raising awareness of the daily hazards which law enforcement officers nationwide face.

    https://www.facebook. com/204883249674566/posts/176126197070 3345/?vh=e& d=n

    Also with the hopes of raising awareness of mental health issues which plague our community and society nationwide.” The footage can be viewed here: The Clewiston Positive Department urges the community to reach out for help if you or someone you know are aware of someone in distress. There are nationwide resources including the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline accessible 24/7 at 800-273-8255 or 800-273-TALK. Or text the crisis hotline (text HELLO to 741741). Both are free and available seven days a week.

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    Why would you say that the gun violence between Blacks is caused by Whites? IMO the cause of someone being shot is the shooter rather than the origin of the gun.
     
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    Psychologically it is very hard to kill someone with a knife.

    In UK, homicide rate is much much lower since guns are banned.
     
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    You have already be informed that is totally false, why do you keep on pushing such BS?
     

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