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I do not want to pay for the prohibitionists war on drugs... that has failed, time to end the war

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Actually she is asking for assistance for drug abusers on tax payer dollars.

Many on this thread alone have already said they would be for government sponsored drugs like welfare.

And if you go back, you will notice MJ is not my issue, I have my eyes on the bigger and actually potent drugs.

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And I don't want to pay for your drug habit. Again make them all legal, but don't push for tax payers to supply you.

 

I have said a million times, make every (*)(*)(*)(*)ing drug you want legal. Just as long as it is not provided to you by tax dollars.

If you can't buy a beer, then you don't drink. If you can't afford a line of cocaine, that's your problem.

 

But they make it a problem for the rest of us by stealing and selling stolen goods.

 

Then they can go to jail for stealing. Again you are asking for a reward system for stupidity and criminal activity.

 

This is larger problem of coddling people who constantly break the law. You don't want to pay to keep repeat offenders in jail? Fine. You don't want to use the death penalty for repeat offenders? Fine.

Maybe what we really need is a large island, where we can have it secured and let criminals fend for themselves.

 

first of all I do not drink or do drugs... second... who the heck was asking you to pay for anyone's drug habit?

if you can't afford to buy pot, grow it yourself...

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Your insults tell me that you have no substantive rebuttal thus I will move on to debate those who can remain civil.

 

Harm reduction is not focused on fighting gangs, it is focused on mitigating the harm to society caused by drug addiction. What harm reduction plausibly can do is remove a huge source of income from the gangs. Those who are dead set on living outside the law will likely focus on other criminal enterprises like extortion, racketeering, and theft. There will always be predatory criminals and harm reduction will have little to no positive impact upon these types of people thus predatory criminality will remain a law enforcement issue.

There is a difference between a drug addict who breaks the law to get money for their fix, and a predatory criminal who is a criminal because they like it and like preying upon others and their property... it gives them a rush and a sense of power that cannot be had by taking drugs alone or living an honest life.

To me the world would be a better place if we can take away their incentive to commit crime by supplying them with drugs and an open invitation to partake in drug treatment. It is easy to be callous against drug addicts but I wounder if you would be singing the same tune if it were someone who you loved dearly who suffered from drug addiction? It is easy to dehumanize groups of people that we do not understand, and IMO it is this type of dehumanization that allows for so much evil in our world.

 

Thus all you have is unqualified opinion. That being the case there is nothing more to be said so I thank you for the discussion.

 

Wanted to add something. How do you envision a drug addict? A heroin addict shooting up in a drug den and robs people to pay for their fix? How about a grandma who has never broke a law but now is by Doctor shopping for pain meds to manage her chronic pain? What about a grandma who cannot find a doc that will treat her pain with narcotic pain relievers and instead give her other painkillers that do not work or have bad side effects? What if that grandma turned to a street drug to manage her pain? I am just trying to see if you have a steriotype of what a drug addict looks like or if you have an objective understand of the diverse types of people who fall victim to drug addiction?

 

Telling you to buy your own supply is an insult now lol? Ok then , bye.

 

Ive already had the conversation with a few others, im not gonna go back and check every post on here. And was it not you that stated they just did drugs for a good time and did it responsibly and then were forced to outrun police all the time? Or was that another person?

 

The insult in your previous post was in how you said it as you did not simply say the above which is not insulting.

 

I was speaking in general, not exactly at you . so I apologize you took it that way.

 

Saying "you are a bum" is not a generality in my book. But at this point our discussion has become an argument of semantics and I take you at your word that you were not specifically calling me a bum.

 

Some things sound different on the net, can't exactly show intent that well unless its a threat or a joke. Again, I was speaking in general. If I was going to call you a bum you would not at all mistake it, hell I have already been punished a few times on here lol. But no, I promise it wasn't a direct insult at you, I don't even know you.

 

Asking for assistance for drug abusers is not asking taxpayers to buy you crack.

Welfare, whether you oppose it or not, is not a drug. It's government financial assistance. You can get all metaphorical about it and say something like "well, it might as well be..." -but that doesn't make it so.

I don't have a drug habit, and nobody's asking you to pay to support anyone's drug habit. If you're opposed to government drug rehab programs, or other government social programs, fine, that's your conservative stance on fiscal policy in general. But painting tax-funded rehab as "supporting peoples addictions" is a false characterization, and just flat-out disingenuous.

 

It's asking us to pay for their mistakes, and it will be a waste because most of them won't even care to fix it..

I never said welfare was a drug, I said like welfare as in giving free (*)(*)(*)(*). im good with welfare as long as it is for necessities and not for partying.

Im just a person who believes you should clean up your own mess. But at the same time i want a government that will create the opportunities (better jobs and education) so people can afford their own way. but that won't happen either.

 

Wouldn't bother you if your family members (those who have addictions) all died of overdoses today. You'd be fine with that. You wouldn't shed one single tear?

 

I GET all that, you don't want to pay for other peoples' mistakes. I'm only pushing this because already you've repeatedly characterized paying for other peoples' mistakes or cleaning up their messes as akin to buying them drugs.

Okay, sorry, I understand a little better now, I guess you meant to say that many on this thread alone have already said they would be for government sponsoring drugs much like the government sponsors welfare.
Anyway, if there's any part of any welfare policies, be it local, state, or federal, that involve being able to use a welfare check to buy crack cocaine, I'd like to find out about it.

 

no, that was a prohibitionist that said that.... people that drink or smoke pot responsibly should not be harassed by the police, it should be legal, people should not have to fear the cops cause they are having a good time or cause they are relaxing after a hard days work

the only time you should be harassed by the police is when you commit a real crime... drunk or sober

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Jail costs a lot of money and many never get caught; additionally, one rarely gets one's stolen goods back. I lost an excellent African meditation stool that way. No way to replace it; they don't sell that exact design anymore.

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I could go for that. Possibly cheaper than jail, depending on how much the island cost.

 

I know what drug addict looks like. Although I work downtown in the nicest part of our city there are hordes of them. Our parking lot is surrounded by a metal fence and right on the other side is some greenery right by the free way on ramps and off ramps. The homeless and addicts like to congregate over there because they're just hidden enough from traffic to have some privacy. There are hundreds, and I kid you not, hundreds upon hundreds of needles strew around there. Its ridiculous. They sit out there all day and night. They use the bushes as a restroom. They tweak out, screaming, fighting, littering all over. It looks like a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing dump. They'll break into cars at night time and beg for money on every corner. Eventually the city comes and cleans it up and within a week its back to where it was. I've advocated for us to plant sticker bushes or holly there to keep them as far away from us as possible. They are the plague of this earth.

Grandma receives medical services from the government to treat her pain, and in some cases includes legally obtained and doctor prescribed narcotics. If a doctor won't prescribe it than its probably because its not safe.

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Wouldn't bother me one bit.

 

Trust me I see your point man, but at the same time we can't just throw money at the problem all the time and expect things to just get better. At least not right now because there are other issues in which the money me and you generate that need to be remedied. I care more about a child's education than I do some druggy thiefs daily grind. Thiefs aren't gonna go away just because we offer them drugs, they will eventually just ask for more.

As for the island thing, we as a country own some islands already.