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  1. Ritter

    Ritter Well-Known Member

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    Not every Millennial is a Progressive psychophant. You are being extremely prejudiced if you think that is the case. ;)

    Of course I would not say such things to a person's face, I am not retarded. :D
     
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    Yes from a legal stand point it is

    Again personal moralities can be different from legalities
     
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    If she's mature enough to make such choices, she's mature enough to choose to avoid pregnancies. Fail.
     
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    Ah ... yeah, no.

    Better to hold her feet to the fire regarding her decision to risk a life (by engaging in baby-making).
     
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    Exactly that is because you are aware of the of prejudice ...it is an acknowledged prejudice. But referring to women as bitches and girls is an unacknowledged prejudice, not even aware of it.
    The example you gave at the end is what I call sanctioned prejudice. It is where you will call people names but not to their face.
     
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    Sorry that you see it OK to abandon a child a man created. We just have different moralities.
     
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    :applause::banana::clapping:
     
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  8. Ritter

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    Wowowowow! Now, slow your roll, lady! When did I ever use the B-word to describe a female?

    Ah, like you keep calling people you never even met racists and sexists and how you post about Trump's mental helath day in and day out? :)
     
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    All of a sudden a man can "create a child", huh? First, the pregnancy is the woman's and only the woman's responsibility and what she is carrying is a "ZEF" and then, it - all of a sudden - is a man's creation and a "child".

    Maybe it is true that I have to check my privilege, but you should then go and check your principles! ;)
     
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    "What makes you think that women don’t take contraception seriously?"

    The number of woman who are having abortions for reasons other than medical necessity

    "Do men?"

    You just used a joke about once men can carry a fetus so your well aware that womens bodies are the ones affected by child birth. Shouldn't that fact alone make women be more responsible than men with contraceptives?

    "Do you think women want to have an unwanted pregnancy and go through the pain of an abortion or childbirth?"

    So you talk about men being stupid for not knowing that a woman might get pregnant yet you say stuff covering for women doing the same like "unwanted" pregnancy.


    "And if he is irresponsible there should be no consequences..."

    So exactly like women get now?? Again explain what right is being taken away from women with paper abortions?

    "Maybe this is why we need sex education so like in my class , teachers can explain that if a male gets a female pregnant and she chooses to carry it to term and it becomes a child both of them are responsible for supporting it."

    We need classes to show young men exactly how disenfranchised by the legal system they truly are. Less reproductive Rights, longer sentences for the same crimes as women, worse results in family courts. Less mens shelters and unlike a woman if he can't support his child his civil rights will be violated
     
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    I was using that as an example . I wasn’t personalizing it. I. Sure you never used the word
    I was illustrating something from my class I was not calling you a racist or sexist in my examples. I was generalizing .
     
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    You just said this prior


    So which is it did the man create it or did the woman because you can't change it depending on the argument
     
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    Killing a child = OK.
    Abandoning a child = Not OK.


    I mean, both things are - obviously - as messed up as messed up can be, but it is very hard to be against the latter if you support the previous. :laughing:
     
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    "Men should be smart enough to know that if they impregnate a woman with their child"

    I thought it was a fetus? Why can't a man choose to walk away from a fetus it's not a living thing after all?
     
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    Women are responsible for contraception and yes they should be more responsible if they do not want a child. I totally agree with you I taught sex education and I made everyone aware of that. Contraception on both parts is vital but sometimes people are careless. ..accidents happen.
    You ask What right is taken away from women with paper abortions? Why don’t you ask what right is taken away from his child? Women are not losing rights they are just taking all the responsibility
    You sound like an oppressed male and What are you doing about it? It isn’t fair that men get longer sentences than women. Do something about it! If you think there aren’t enough men’s shelter’s. Do something about it. I saw injustices and joined a movement. Whining isn’t enough.
     
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    Killing a child....illegal and not ok
    Abandoning a child .....not ok
    Using your logic if a woman has an abortion the man is not abandoning a child because a child never developed
     
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    He can walk away from a zygote , he can walk away from an embryo he can walk away from a fetus but once it is a child, he and she has to support it. It is half his and half hers
     
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    No, my logic is that a man who impregnates a woman and leaves her to have an abortion is the biggest jerk in the world.
     
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    You say accidents happen generally but when you drill down you say are men too stupid to know she might get pregnant

    "Why don’t you ask what right is taken away from his child?"

    He is walking away from a fetus and as pro choice people have said the fetus has no rights.
     
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    No he can't walk away from a fetus not from a legal standpoint yet she can kill the fetus
     
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    Yes, the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing - it's hilarious!

    They claim women and only women have control and choice in relation to what happens to their bodies. Then five minutes later they tell us men have some say in it also - demented! Some go so far as to suggest that women can't even stop themselves becoming impregnated .. which is basically saying the OPPOSITE of 'women have complete control and choice'. It's also supporting the idea that men have as much or more control over that situation than women. Like it's all 'rape'.
     
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    Actually I have read studies that it isn't unusual for women to discontinue using contraception when they think their relationship with a man has reached a certain point. But that very frequently their male partners are not at the same point in the relationship that the women think they are.
     
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    Gold medals in mental acrobatics and 8D Chess, both at once. :D
     
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    I put it down to problematically low IQ, or wilful avoidance of logic in preference for dogma.
     
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    Legally the top thing is ok but not the bottom and that's wrong. Justice should be equal in my view

    The way women get away with abortion is saying it's a fetus therefore it has no rights so using that say logic why couldn't a man legal sign is financial responsibilities away to the fetus and anything it may become?
     
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