refuges and people smuggling

These people board plans in India, Pakistan and other western Asian locations under the guise as travelers or tourists. Land in Indonesia and enter Indonesia as tourists and travelers then. Mysteriously loose their passports, jump on dilapidated fishing boats then try and land on our shores and then no longer claim to be tourists but now call themselves refuges. 100 + boats since this present government were elected. No other western country is allowing this abuse of their boarders and immigration as much as what Australia is allowing. We are the laughing stock of western nations. its amazing; most voters want to stop this people smuggling yet the government which as a whole is made up of labor , liberal , greens and independents can not organise themselves to solve this problem which is of national importance. It’s a disgrace and appalling that this situation is being allowed to continue.

 

And of course, you have proof of this?

 

And why is it of national importance?

Because of the huge numbers? LOL

What concerns you the most?

 

People claiming asylum?

Do you find that a "disgrace"?

Why is that?

 

well its obvious to anyone that if a country like ours doesn’t have boarder protection, it will be a virtual open door for everyone and the country will be swamped by everyone who thinks they will have a better life there.sadely there’s not enough jobs, housing , transportation, health, infustracture for the population we have already. The country can’t afford it, nor does it need it, many of these people should stay and try and make their countries better places. Have you heard of people power.

 

Bolty or Alan Jones? Or do you love them both?

Yeah, because that's what you would do ... right?

I can tell you bud, if I was living in a (*)(*)(*)(*) hole country and I saw a way out I'd be taking it as fast as I could.

I have no problem with people striving for a better life. In fact, I applaud them.

 

Well if you see suburbs and towns loose their identity and that the locals (Australians), become outsiders. Then for example Islamic immigrants want Shari law introduced, and that we should start to live by there standards and expectations. Well as being a third generation Australian I don’t think that’s right either. Im sure there are hundreds of thousands of Australians that are having a hard time economically. Why should it be made any harder for Australians... it was interesting to see your opinions but as i realise your a political do gooder, who like our polititions nit pick at points and don’t accomplish anything , dont have the interest of Australia or Australians at heart. It’s a waste of time communicating with you. You would be better off going down to the pub and drowning your sorrows. Happy drinking.

 

I'm an Australian.

My family are all Australians.

My job involves helping Australians receive fare wages & entitlements in the Australian workforce.

Why then, would I not "have the interest of Australia or Australians at heart"?

Whose interests do you think I'm looking out for?

 

god knows?


Myself, ive seen the world and ive seen what goes on. I love Australia and Australians where ever they come from. My only hope and wish is we can make Australia a better place, as nothing is perfect or as good as it should be or could be. And if we can contribute to trying to help other nations all the better.

 

There's more than a decade's worth of documented proof.

 

I understand anyone wanting to move to Australia. The obvious fact is that there are BILLIONS of poor souls who would do anything to be here, we simply can`t take them all. There are more than enough people dying to get here. This problem has the potential to develop into a massive tragedy. Just a little bit of foresight now can save a lot of grief in the future.

 

The political left and the fencesitters are too busy labelling anyone trying to solve this problem as being "anti-foreigner" to really care or ever notice their own hypocrisy.

 

There are a lot of freeloaders here we could get rid of...send them to New Zealand, maybe?

Those who arrive by boat are welcome here. They are fleeing wars and murder and we have a duty to help them.

 

That is cruel and inhuman. At least it is warm in Nauru

 

Well then lets see it.

 

.crickets.

 

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/ipad/as...sports-overboard/story-fn6bfm6w-1226051489669

MORE than 80 per cent of asylum seekers arriving in Australia by boat throw away their passports before landing, presenting a security nightmare for ASIO and immigration authorities.

New figures obtained from the Department of Immigration and Citizenship revealed that 5213 people arriving illegally between 2008 and 2010 had first flown to Indonesia before boarding a boat to Australia.

 

^false. The people smugglers take their passports from them before they get their boats on the water.

 

Well same rules apply, show us your source?

I think they'd be more interested in payment, as taking passports is a usual practise of keeping people in country, not smuggling them out.

 

This was the claim

Now show proof of this.

 

I've been saying all along the current soft policy on asylum seekers is responsible for the loss of life in our oceans. Coming here by boat is an extremely dangerous endeavor and we have a greater moral obligation to stop this suicide mission than helping those who make it safely. Human life is the imperative here and people who support on shore processing are facilitating a death trade. The greens should totally step out of this debate as they don't have the mettle to make the tough decisions that need to be made, they'd sooner dither around with notions of our international obligations while trying to make themselves look as pious as possible, all the while little children are drowning. Surely we can refuse to comply with international refugee law on the basis we are complying with unwritten universal law of common sense? It's not like the drafters of the original refugee convention meant for desperate asylum seekers to fork out their life savings to get on a crowded dingy.

 

How do you think they get from Pakistan, Iran, Iraq etc to Indonesia?
Swim?

Sixty Minutes Oz or another current affairs program did an expose, visited the people-smugglers office in Pakistan, and enquired of the details.

They then showed how the people-smuggling trade works...which was basically:

These people board planes in India, Pakistan and other western Asian locations under the guise as travelers or tourists. Land in Indonesia and enter Indonesia as tourists and travelers then. Mysteriously loose their passports, jump on dilapidated fishing boats then try and land on our shores and then no longer claim to be tourists but now call themselves refugees.


http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2011/12/18/world/international-us-indoesia-boat.html?_r=3&hp

Many of the passengers on the wooden vessel are believed to be economic migrants from countries including Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan. Indonesia is a transit point for illegal immigrants from the Middle East who cross the Indian Ocean in search of a better life in Australia.


http://www.smh.com.au/world/huge-to...-ship-sinks-20111218-1p0g4.html#ixzz1gqwxeF6W

A survivor from Afghanistan, 24-year-old Esmat Adine, gave rescuers an estimate for how many passengers were on the boat.

"He did not know exactly how many passengers there were, but he said that four buses with around 60 or more adult passengers each had turned up to the port where they set off," Adine said.


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4 Corners - Smugglers' Paradise

 

As I thought, zero evidence for your assertion. Did you ever stop to think what sort of desperation would drive someone to make the journey on an overloaded old boat with a good chance of drowning on the way with the glittering prize of imprisonment at journeys end?

 

They all risk their lives to collect Centrelink payments, remember? According to the Liberals in this country, it is worth risking your life for a few hundred dollars.