Religion Forum should be renamed "Athiest Forum"

No!, But you sure are, when you can't remember the definition that you supplied, which just happens to be the definition from a dictionary.

 

Several issues here:
1) The onus of proof is on the person making an affirmative claim (ie: you claiming that your beliefs have some validitiy). If this were not the case, I could ask you to prove Thor is not real.
2) Given that your posts generally relate to cherry picking the posts of others to be argumentative, you have not highlighted all of your beliefs.... Which would you like me to disprove?

That being said, you've clearly stated that your beliefs are not logical or rational, and do not require evidence to be valid. To take a page from your book,
"ra·tion·al/ˈræʃənl, ˈræʃnl/ [rash-uh-nl, rash-nl]
adjective
1. agreeable to reason; reasonable; sensible: a rational plan for economic development.
2. having or exercising reason, sound judgment, or good sense: a calm and rational negotiator.
3. being in or characterized by full possession of one's reason; sane; lucid: The patient appeared perfectly rational.
4. endowed with the faculty of reason: rational beings.
5. of, pertaining to, or constituting reasoning powers: the rational faculty."

Your beliefs are therefore, by your own admission, incompatible with sensibility, sound judgment, good sense, sanity, or lucidity. This inherently makes them wrong.

 

Then irrefutably prove that claim to be wrong or in error. Also show a code, rule, regulation, law, statute, that mandates a person to use logic, logical fallacies, scientific method, etc.

 

HAHA I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE! You took what I said, and you understood it, and then you pretended that you didnt! You made it into a really funny joke by doing that!

Humour is great isn't it?

 

I see that nothing has changed or improved since the last time I was here and said something similar. For people who say they hate religion some sure do love to frequent the religious section at lot. I once likened it to someone that say they are a homosexual but hang out in gay bars....why?

 

I guess its the most interesting section of any forum, it and politics. But there is a difference between religion and the Bible but most people are blind to it because they have been conditioned to believe that the Bible is a religious book.

 

It’s counterproductive to hang around too much with those whose interest is to sabotage what you are trying to accomplish.......that's why I stayed away for so long. Jesus stayed away from those who hated Him and what He was trying to accomplish. I only came back out of curiosity and see if there is any improvement.

If rules were created that prohibits those who are not Christians not to be on the religious section then things would be a little better.....you can't invite Satan to be among yourselves and not expect him to do everything to destroy and create confusion. I have tried and have been trying to show Christians that they need to work together to accomplish things in the society but so far it’s all have fallen on deaf ears. The religious section would be a perfect place for Christians from all parts of the Country and the world to support each other in whatever they employ themselves in doing.

Not even in the Church that I once attended could I get the members to see the benefit of them working with each other. I'm not talking about what one would consider "Church stuff", as far as that is concern they are good at that.....most Christians are very good at being religious. But what I'm talking about is more practical stuff, like if you have a lawyer, a doctor or an air condition repairman in your Church, why not give them the business instead of going to someone outside the Church, or even in another Church that not be part of your denomination but provides something that you want or need?

I consider myself a kingdom person so those who are religious may not understand what I'm talking about…..Jesus was not a religious man by the way…..He believed in the kingdom of God and went about preaching it. A kingdom is a government and government have to do with people's quality of life, health, safety, standard of living and so on. With enough kingdom minded people working together we could achieve unbelievable things if we could only see the possibilities and that would go a very long way in attracting people.

 

Well, if you see humor in it, then I suppose it can be great to those that see such humor,,, but I see me reporting what is in my reality. Apparently, you must see reality as 'humor'.

 

Many of us find the reality you live in to be absolutely hilarious.

 

What logical argument or rational evidence can one provide to convince someone of the importance of logical arguments and rational evidence? To me it seems like an exercise in futility...

 

Probably almost as hilarious as the lies you admitted to telling but would not prove that the items you labeled as lies were actually lies.

 

Good observation on your part. Others on this forum have already admitted to the impossibility of proving my beliefs to be wrong or in error. As you put it, it is an exercise in futility, as they cannot prove my beliefs to be in error or wrong.. therefore, until such time as irrefutable proof is shown, then my beliefs stand as true and real.

 

You actually ultimately said I was lying to my congregation. You said that. Remember?
Can't conveniently backtrack on that, can you?

 

Based on your admission.... yeah... why not... You admitted to telling them lies... However, when you were challenged to prove those things you said were lies to be actual lies, you have not even started to prove that they were in fact lies. So, what wrong have I done... ? Calling your hand on your story telling?

 

I'm an atheist because God touched me.

 

Obviously your inability to value logic and reason do not in any way make your illogical and unreasonable beliefs any more true.I can tell you the reason why I value logic and reason, but that would as I stated previously be futile because it is a reason based in a logical and pragmatic understanding of the paradigm of human experience vis a vis the natural world.
Science is considered to be the manifestation of human logic as applied to what he observes in the natural world. So if a human uses his logic to come up with a reasonable explanation to an area that up until then was an area in which humans were ignorant, and then experimentation showed that this explanation detailed the observable reality without flaw; then one would be forced to concede that in this situation logic was a useful tool in explaining the world. If this process were to occur for every single problem humanity has solved since its remembered history, then it would appear that science, logic, and reason are in fact valid tools in the exercise of problem solving. This is an entirely pragmatic approach to accepting the importance of science and reason, but again one who is completely unreasonable would be unable to accept the reasonableness of such an argument. The rejection of reason and logic leads to awful solipsism; an infinite number of possible but unlikely arguments such as "god is responsible for everything and he creates the illusion of order" or the ever popular "we all live in the matrix", and any reasonable person need only apply Occam's Razor to this idea to see how ridiculous it is.

 

No.
You agreed with me that I had lied to my congregation.
Live with it.

 

The reality is that you're just trolling. But you're so very bad at it that I can't help but laugh at you.

 

Unfortunately for you, you are not a moderator who has the final decision on this forum as to who is declared to be a 'troll' and who is not. Therefore, as I have stated before, until a Moderator informs me of a TOS violation regarding 'trolling', your opinion is just that... an unqualified, unsubstantiated opinion.

 

Agreed? That is a mighty strong word. I 'accepted' that you had admitted to telling lies to your congregation, but agreement was never met. Why? Because I challenged you to prove that the things you labeled as 'lies' to be actual lies. You never have made an attempt to validate your claims,,, therefore, your claims are in and of their own, 'lies'.

 

You're mostly right. It's not really unfortunate for me though - I think I've made it clear that I quite enjoy your posts, so I wouldn't want you to be stopped from making them. You keep trollin', I'll keep laughing at you. Everybody wins.

 

Especially me (as a winner). Why? Because you cannot break the irrefutable nature of my beliefs.

 

I asked you specifically if I lied to my congregation and you replied "Yes". That's agreement.
Go cry somewhere else.
Or keep lying.
I couldn't care less.

 

Please link to the alleged post that you are speaking about.

 

Don't try that crap with me. Do you literally have no shame?