Repealing and replacing Obamacare: What kind of healthcare plan do you support?

Did you actually read what you are trying to claim for sources? You should because they do not support any part of the position you are trying to justify by rhetoric.

I'm not going to do a detailed breakdown of your misassumptions as I don't deem you worth that amount of my time.

Too bad that guy that was inaugurated not quite 10 days ago don't care much for those Rhinos. Paul Ryan is on tenuous terms at best. This is another claim by you that has no basis in reality just what seems what you wish would happen. But what I do find amazing, typing "Trump's pick for health" generated a supposed 1.8 million responses. It wasn't till page 5 that Fox got the only hit and the display stopped at 89 hits. Fox was the only non-progressive liberal hit. Fake news at it again. But hey, I might like this guy Price.

 

Your lead poll is invalid, a 1036 person sample does not a 330 million plus conclusion make. Conclusion also flawed by qualifier.

 

Sure it does, why would I want to waste my time when my pile of valid books would lead to furthering my education.

Then I would suggest your research is incomplete.

 

No representative poll samples millions. In the last such comprehensive poll, one candidate received 65,853,625 votes, and the other 62,985,105.

You apparently hold a view not supported by the cited poll, yet offer no contradictory data, which suggests that you are polling yourself, a far less valid sample.

Once Trump enacts his "beautiful" plan that covers "everybody" all will be well, of course.

 

A 1% sample extrapolated across a population of 330 million could conceivable error of 99.9%. Being ridiculous one way and then trying to be ridiculous the other still does not a poll make. But the real reason of invalidity would be the mix which is no where mentioned. I would also question comprehension as no where did I say poll all.

Actually you would be wrong again as a sample of one is not a poll, nice attempt at a dodge though.

If you want to believe that, perhaps explains thinking a poll was posted.

But I did like your write-up on Dumbo and Odumbo, amusing.

“I do not know if the people of the United States would vote for superior men if they ran for office, but there can be no doubt that such men do not run.” - Alexis de Tocqueville, 1835 and nothing has changed.

 

Unghaa. Perhaps your settings are different..I forgot to factor that part in my response...Yes from now on and prolly the rest of my posting hobby, I will from now on refer to post # rather then pages.

I like when people disagree with me...Good things happen when I'm wrong. It does suck being correct alot of the times though...Single payer system may be wrong and Trump may come up with some ingenious plan out of left field no one saw coming...unfortunately free market is a tried and failed system of operating when it comes to peoples health.

To the underlined, yes it is hard for me...or any other sane person to grasp. because without oversight..competition breeds cheating. In what system of competition is there not cheating..remember successful cheaters have never been caught. But then I remember with you there should be no system...so cheating would not exist....Oh if only, In my line of work "if only's" get you fired or killed.

 

Obviously yes. Medicare Advantage plans benefit from government price-setting. Actual privatization of Medicare wouldn't. It's pretty simple.

 

Research is inevitably incomplete.

 

The Congress?
are you branding them as such,

 

Health care is Humpty Dumpty and the Democrats pushed it off the wall. All the kings horses and all the king's men can't put Humpty together again. Too many people are now getting free or subsidized insurance and it is political suicide to take it from them so it won't be done. Republicans need to face reality and sit down with Democrats to try and at least make this fiasco called Obamacare function a little better. I'm afraid we are stuck with it.

 

Predictably, the berserkers who were screaming "Repeal ObamaCare!", and those on their meds who were yelling "Replace ObamaCare!" are now muttering "Reform ObamaCare!"

Too many provisions are far too popular with the American public to exterminate the plan that has extended coverage to tens of million of Americans, prevented the insurance cartel from screwing sick people, and features other such reasonable innovations.

"Reform" will consist of mainly of calling it by a different name, although there are sensible modifications that should be made.

In a related matter, it had looked as if the Novelty Act in the White House would actually save money by allowing Medicare to negotiate Rx cost, but Big Pharma has taken him to the woodshed and he's wimping out on that one. Americans will continue to be denied the benefit all advanced nations enjoy.

 

For reasons and with explanations provided in countless prior threads, a true single payer system is what I would like to see and what will, at some point, become a reality.

 

Free Market, it seems obvious you have no comprehension of what a "free market" would entail much less be able to pass judgement. But you could show me wrong by providing any evidence of a "free market" and "it's" tried and failed system, especially health.

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Are you related to the canine family as you are always barking up trees?

 

I cannot definitively argue against your point as most things evolve. However, there is nothing new in the universes, there is but facts yet to be discovered

However, your offered opinion was not based on fact but a desire to believe what one wanted to believe based on primal fears not knowledge. When one feels cornered, the old fight or flight complex takes over, the Limbic System which facilitates human emotion, fear seeming to be the most prevalent.

 

As my old granddad used to say: "Want in one hand and crap in the other and see which fills first."

 

Liberals anarchists

 

Your unfortunate fixation aside, it's hilarious watching the "Repeal!" berserkers now attempting to confront the novelty of reality that demands a responsible approach.

 

There are a couple..., In your anarchy world, with no government, would you honor copy right laws?
(Excuse, me for my ignorance in dealing with what you imagine as the perfect form of governance.)

If so, such a thing in our current form of government is exactly what would breed more of this.

"The rising price for EpiPens, a drug delivery system that is crucial for persons experiencing potentially life-threatening allergic reactions, has resulted in outrage. The price increase, from about $94 for a two-pack of injectable epinephrine to more than $600 in just nine years, has members of Congress calling for investigations in how Mylan, the drug’s manufacturer, can justify this increase. In the last year alone, the price has climbed by $200.

The company does offer a savings program that applies to some consumers. Those with high-deductible insurance plans, which includes a growing number of Americans, have not gotten much relief, however.

This is hardly the first example of sharp price increases. Turing Pharmaceuticals, and its then-chief executive Martin Shkreli, raised the price of the drug Daraprim, which treats a life-threatening parasitic infection, from $13.50 to $750 per tablet."

https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-08-26/why-epipen-and-other-patents-are-so-expensive

(as just the latest example..if not many more with charlatan drugs, or expensive surgery's that make a person worse off, and even further dependent on medical care.)

Honestly in a truly free market systems where copyrights are honored, why should this not happen more. I honestly do not even blame the developers and R&D development team for any type of price increase in a free market system, they control the supply, to manufacture the demand...unfortunately it is healthcare, and such a thing strikes a cord with me. Usually I let my $$ speak for me in free market, but with healthcare that is not an option.

Edit: also do you have a problem with just underlining what you are responding to, rather then chopping up peoples posts? I can see if you are responding to a page long post..but come on, that is just a plain lazy way of getting a point across to readers...from now on respond to me with my post in it's entirety...Or I will fix it for you.

 

You making fun of Trump supporters?? I don't get it.

 

You are replying to an old post that does not express an opinion.

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Clearly Jonathan Gruber had an accurate opinion of Democrat voters.

 

Ignorance is a choice, normally an unwise one. First we start with a little definition, anarchy, a word derived from Latin. The "an" is the negative or no, "archy" is a ruler, therefore there are no rulers, not a lack of rules. So with no rulers, there are no such thing as patent laws. The only protection is by way of free market, may the most competitive win. Patents are nothing more than a government license to steal.

And all the good little slaves go marching on, looking for another to find the way.

What free market system?

No, but you may do whatever you want, you're not my slave nor am I yours.

 

You're a cool dude, I like I the honesty...You know you were done with your first statement you made..but you continued anyways..If I knew you in person you are someone I could trust....what I trust you with though is a different matter.

I trust you will betray someone at the first opportunity for instance.

Not a bad thing (I don't think)...but you cant hear my tone of voice or how I communicate.

This also means we are done....we can neither change each others minds...Anarchy is the child of chaos which I personally follow (being a human being and all) but is not very good at policy setting.