responsible gun owner and 3 friends target shooting ........

And a longer one of situations in which people were killed and attacked with a gun.

Most likely less than those who decided not to break into mine because I have and ADT sign on my window. At least according to the burglars themselves. Not many wonder if you have a gun or not.

 

There's no possible way to know, so hoplophobes get away with pretending its 0.

 

You don't know that.

BTW, I also have ADT. So, let's think about that a bit though. We live about fifteen minutes from law enforcement as a minimum. ADT does not immediately call law enforcement when they get an alarm signal from you. They check by calling your home and then your cell phone. Based on the one experience where law enforcement came out, it was at least thirty minutes after the alarm. Do you think the intruder will wait around for law enforcement? No. We would be dead or severely injured before law enforcement came. I suppose they check our bodies for signs of life.

 

Irresponsible gun owners go to jail and lose their license. No?

 

Alarm systems are easily defeated and while they do offer some protection from burglary, they are useless in home invasion robberies. Your ADT system is known for false alarms. You even have to pay for false alarms in advance. (Police permit) Since we know that there is a verification procedure, all the criminal has to do is point a gun at your head and threaten to kill you if you don't answer ADTs call and give them your password. They can also prevent you from answering making it an "unverified" alarm, which is a low priority for law enforcement. This gives the criminal more than enough time to do whatever they want.

 

Ours has had several false alarms. Since law enforcement can't prove they were false alarms, we haven't been charged for them.

The false alarms were from motion detectors. A mouse, bug, an object outside or even movement of shadows might trigger them. I finally took them down and put them in a couple of strategic drawers. I figure that for a real break-in, the burglars will go through those drawers and trigger them.

 

Really? You would actually waste your time discussing such hypothetical nonsense?

Former burglars SAY they would avoid a house with a surveillance system. They don't even mention the owner having a gun as a deterrent. Because burglaries occur when nobody is there to shoot at them. So, if you have a gun, that would likely entice them to enter your house and to steal it.

 

Good idea. I have driveway alarms that let us know when someone comes on to the property. My 5 dogs start barking and we can see who/what it is through the cameras.

 

"well, no mountains around here, guess we'll have to shoot into the neighbor's children. "

hardly ever. "the gun lust went off," fir examole, will usually work. fot the nimrods in this story, all 4 fired the gun so no one injured the woman "beyond a reasonable doubt." no one will lose their right to keep and bear arms and no one will have to attend gun safety classes.

i might be wrong. time will tell.

 

Nothing hypothetical about it. The burglars are going to be gone before law enforcements gets there because of ADT. I hope the noise will scare them off and/or wake me up.

We almost always have a car or two in the carport, so it is not immediately obvious whether we are home unless they take a position across the road and watch.
There are a lot less risky ways for a criminal to get a gun than to break into a house where they know the owner has a gun.

However, through all this, you have offered no useful alternatives for someone who is a long way from law enforcement.

 

I would not recommend relying on advice from failed burglars.

 

Your claim is BS. It's not "a legal 2A activity" to accidentally shoot someone. This is known. How is it that you are ignorant of this?

 

They were the Hunter Bidens of target shooting.

 

Burglary is usually stealing from an unoccupied dwelling, robbery is the use of force or threats.
Kind of like shoplifting vs robbing the clerk at knifepoint.

 

IMO, some people who shoot guns are stupid. Some have never taken a hunters safety class, that should be the min requirement.

 

The shooters were likely clueless what they were doing.

 

Wait. It's legal to target practice in one's back yard in Florida? In urban areas?

 

I had a Captain in one of my Nat'l Guard units that said, there are no accidents, someone, somewhere made a mistake. For the most part, that is a true statement.

 

It's their "right".

You know how the message the "Karate Kid" movies is one does not learn martial arts to fight others but to protect them.

Too many people become over confident because they are carrying a weapon and some even go looking for trouble. All of us that understand that guns are not toys and don't create courage don't play with them.

 

A toy gun should be treated as any other fire arm. To get the mindset of using a real fire arm serious. Or not mistake a real gun for a toy gun.
Point being, treat all weapons, loaded, unloaded, toy as if it's a loaded firearm.

 

It's their right to own one. Not their right to recklessly shoot other people unknowingly. Know your target and what's behind your target.

 

I agree with you. We're on the same side. I think it's very irresponsible for people to rationalize all the random shootings and injuries and deaths. If relinquishing my weapon might save some kids' lives because a whackjob got hold of his (or her) parents' weapon(s) or stupid people want to shoot in their backyard and hit mothers, I'd give it up right now.

 

Many States require no license.
Likely depends on the State and if the Judge isn't the poster above.
Most likely, in many states, the poster above is correct.

 

There needs to be requirement to buy/own a gun, like there is to drive a vehicle. At a minimum.

 

This is bullshit. There was a survey done (by the DOJ) where 1800 former felons were surveyed and 80% said they would avoid houses if they thought someone was home because they didn't want to get shot.

There was even a tv show that interviewed them years ago and every single one of them said their number one fear when breaking in was that the homeowner was home and had a gun.

Saying guns aren't a deterrent is absolute nonsense. Plenty of studies have been done and the results are the same. Criminals always try to make sure they won't get shot before they break into a house, either by knowing there are no guns or by knowing there are no people home.