If only intentional shootings were the only ones that resulted in death. About 1500 people a year die from "accidental shootings". This is a relatively small number, but does that mean it shouldn't be addressed? (source: http://161.203.16.4/d20t9/143619.pdf) Of course, the fact that we label someone as "mentally unbalanced" AFTER they have committed an irrational act, such as a mass shooting, has a lot to do with why there is so much concern over addressing mental health rather than addressing the ability to kill.
Actually don't you think a good place to start might be to back off from the "Docs versus Glocks" legislation the NRA has been pushing http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/12/nra-docs-glocks-newtown-gun-control
Well with the 1-2% being psychopaths of a population, and Ozzieland being started as a penal colony, one would think that they would have a higher % of mass shootings...but, wait...think they have been 'thinned out' by Crocs+Great Whites+ Skin Cancer..huh? Where the US was initially populated with those seeking religious freedom, but apparently they did not have 'enuf 'witch trials' to thin our's out! Also several of our mass shooters have been Asian, and so we shud have brought witch trials to the W. Coast also...
On a serious note: With a country which was based on individual "life, liberty, & the pursuit of happiness,' you will always have those who will abuse those cherished values---particularly those with mental problems that are not caught by law as having not broken the law (which are most of the mass shooters). 'We the People' could change it for "We the Party' and adopt fascism or communism and 'solve' our gun problems by turning them all over to the State.....however, we've had millions of Americans die so that wouldnt happen!
The deafening silence on the hyper-gun control ppl on this thread (those patting themselves on their backs and Rep'ing each other for their enlightened self-righteousness) are the same as those bypassing the facts of mentally unstable/flawed ppl such as psychopaths, who have a propensity for instrumental or planned violence, as none of my postings have been answered by them! I think the closest they got was BB intimating that maybe if the US used bottled water they might not have so many 'crazies'....how sad that the discussion is all about inanimate objects and not about the ppl who abuse them.... ..and this is why there will be another Sandy Hook w/o armed security (which is already in 30% of US schools in 1 form or another) and an honest narrative concerning such ppl that addresses those who act out will happen, as is just a mater of time for a 'copycatter.' But..what's most important is that..."they mean well!" EDIT: Btw, for a 1-2 % Psychopath pop, that means there are at least 1-2M 'adult' ones in the US...so shud we just ignore them until they act out with the 300M guns that are already out there?!
Wait, I must have missed something.... Did you, at some point, illustrate that we could identify "crazy people" BEFORE they do something crazy? If not, are you still proposing that it's better to be armed and surrounded by lethal armed morons and psychopaths; rather than being disarmed and surrounded by annoying unarmed morons and psychopaths?
I don't care who is in office, registration negates the Second Amendment. If Uncle Sam decides he want our guns, he knows exactly where to go.
I brought up psychopath statistics, who use instrumental violence and are not reactive violent, and all you have done is pick on inanimate objects with no solutions to identifying the 'real killers'..you are a sad and disingenuous poster, and really not worth responding to as in just fanning your hypocrisy..
The fact that you don't have answers to my questions must be intimidating, I understand. That being said, I am willing to abide by all the regulations I am suggesting be placed on other citizens (not a hypocrite) whereas you insult people who avoid your questions while avoiding mine (good example of hypocrisy)... The inanimate objects should be as well regulated as other inanimate objects. For example, if you had to undertake training, pass a written test on gun safety, and undertake a practicle assessment with a firearms instructor prior to being issued a weapon license for a very specific range of weapons - this would resemble car licensing... Surely you don't feel that being able to put a hole in something from a distance provides you greater freedom than being able to travel, and yet the implication that licensing should be more strenuous and/or that weapons should be registered in the same way as cars is resisted... why? Surely you don't feel that having your car registered is oppressive or controlling?
As for "REAL KILLERS"... Not sure if you've ever been in a fistfight against an opponent who was extremely angry....? If he had access to a gun in that moment, he may have become a killer. He didn't, so you're still alive. Would you classify this opponent in your history a "real killer"?
Why are you such a freedom-hater? The Second Amendment will be hanging by a thread if all guns are registered.
Why? Because Obama will personally show up in a black helicopter to take your gun(s)? How's that working out for your car? I'm pretty sure that's been registered for awhile now, right? - - - Updated - - - Why? Because Obama will personally show up in a black helicopter to take your gun(s)? How's that working out for your car? I'm pretty sure that's been registered for awhile now, right?
Why? Your guns will not be taken away - you can still keep them - after all the government is not about to confiscate your cars or your pets and THEY are registered - - - Updated - - - Why? Your guns will not be taken away - you can still keep them - after all the government is not about to confiscate your cars or your pets and THEY are registered
Funny you should say that! That is exactly what I think of YOUR comments! In the other hand, I find tthat Logician makes really good points. . .in fact, I bet that's why you don't want to respond. . . you have no answer!
And yet only 50% of the mass shooters (using the FBI criteria here of more than four dead) were diagnosed with mental illness
And could you please point me to where it says, "the right to bear registered arms, shall not be infringed?"
Can you explain to me how registration - right infringement? Without mentioning any conspiracy theories please
I think it actually comes down to the fact that police, judges, prosecutors, and other people who actually work around these things agree that the majority of weapons used in gun crimes are illegal guns or illegal obtained. I don't really think that it would be that big of a deal to register guns, but you have to look at the trade off. You're making 80-100 million people register guns for not really anything that could prevent these crimes. It comes down to making laws just to make laws, even though they don't do anything but be a pain in the butt for gun owning citizens. Most of the polls show that 2/3 of people want more guns laws, and in the same poll 2/3 of people don't think that the laws proposed will stop gun violence. Tell me how this can be effective in stopping crime please.
Sorry if there is nothing more recent but this sort of information was what the NRA was been lobbying to stop
meh...............my bad, I did miss it. Ok so some people will not be able to get a gun because then they would have to do a background check for private gun sales between family members. Now we need statistics on how effective it would be. I'm sure it would stop some, but can't imagine very many criminals are going to say it's not worth the trouble when they still need the gun. The drug war is often compared to what could happen if we could outlaw all guns. Mexican cartels and other organised crime are already bringing in guns. I think it's safe to assume they will supply an increasing demand if this law gets passed.
