Rights Are God-Given

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  1. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    I can ignore google.
    Google can't arrest people and lock them up.
    But with all the personal information they have, they could wreak havov.
     
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    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    I am zure it will.
    Someday every human will be implanted with a tracking chip.
    That day will come.

    Kinda blows anyones claim to natural rights out of the water.
    Making legal rights all that more important.
     
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    Stupid non delete site
     
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    ARDY Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Seems to me that the aggregate of all commercial databases contains far more information than government databases., this information is largely available to the government by subpoena... or, simply by purchase on an as needed basis

    I agree with what you said
    this all winds up enforcing the importance of legal protections
    since sanctified natural rights actually provide zero protection
     
  5. Troianii

    Troianii Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    lmfao

     
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    Troianii Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    case in point.

     
  7. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Anyone who likes to believe that gods give rights must also accept that gods can take them away.
     
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    Troianii Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Come on. It's not that hard. It's a ninth grade reading level. You can do it, I believe in you.
    https://datayze.com/readability-analyzer.php


     
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    You ran away when I posted it #1186 above.
     
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    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    You seem to resort to your ad hominems when you become flustered.

    The proposition that human rights are "god-given" necessitates considering how humans define gods. If they are omnipotent entities, then they cannot be held to a human stricture that they must be consistent. Thus, whatever humans declare gods have given, gods can, by definition, take away.

    What is the significance of humans attributing the granting of human rights to gods who cannot be held by humans to any standard of consistency?
     
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    A direct answer is no strawman.
    The op is a strawman to start with.
    Lest assume there is a god, even tho i don't believe there is, says the op.

    There are no, nada, none, zero natural rights. Except a right to defend your life.
    Not from god, creator, or the man in the moon.
     
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    Troianii Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol, yet another strawman! No where does the op say that there is, no should we assume that there actually is a deity.

    What - is the argument of the OP too cogent to actually respond to that you need to make strawmen?
     
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    Troianii Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Still waiting for Natty Bumpo to make a post in this thread that responds to anything anyone actually said.
     
  14. yguy

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    Actually it doesn't get within lightyears of addressing that proposition...

    ...and that's why.
     
  15. Natty Bumpo

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    If you do not wish to respond to the point that the gods who are alleged to bestow rights can, with equal facility, revoke them, that is your prerogative.

    The proposition that "Rights are God-Given" is obviously informed by their incontrovertible power to withdraw them at any time on a divine whim.
     
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    If you do not believe that gods can both give and take away, your limiting the options of the gods would render the matter irrelevant for you.
     
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    They can't do either.

    You haven't the foggiest understanding of the proposition you presume to criticize.
     
  18. Oh Yeah

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    The only element that was missing was that mysterious link to put it all together and bring it to life. Once the life was started, all over the planet life came into being rapidly. A mystery why? The book of Genesis explains it easily. Genesis 1 - 6 Good News Bible

    Genesis 7 Then the Lord took some soil from the ground and formed a man out of it; he breathed life-giving breath into his nostrils and the man began to live.
     
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    Is it your position that gods do not give rights to humans?

    It is my position that those who maintain that they do must also accept that they can take them away.
     
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    Well duh.

    Please, you have no idea.
     
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    Apparently, you are incapable of articulating your views concerning whether any gods you wish to acknowledge give rights to humans.

    You may wish to think about it,
     
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    Might look that way to people who can't understand plain English.

    No need, trust me.
     
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    If you like to think that there are gods who give rights to humans and are incapable of taking them away, you can admit it.

    No one can prove you wrong even if they try.
     
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    Yeah, well since the premise doesn't apply to me, the conclusion is irrelevant.
     
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    Genesis contains mythical superstitions that only the gullible take to be literal.

    It is worth noting that nowhere in Genesis does the "creator" grant anyone any "god given" rights.
     
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