Romney Picks Ryan for Veep...Bye-Bye Socialism....

A problem similar to what are facing in health care has also been happening in the area of higher education and its costs.


When the government stepped in and started providing more and more funding in the form of racial/special interest group set aside scholarships, it inflated the price with which SOME could afford higher education, so of coarse the prices went up across the board.


Now, unless you've access to the racial/special interest group set aside money, you can't afford to get a college degree.


Classic case of Liberalism stepping in with public dollars and wrecking what wasn't perfect, but allot better than things are after their meddling.


Well, the same thing has happened to health care costs. It will be painful to simply cut off the majority of the governments public funding of health care, but it is the only real way to control costs.

 

False. Both the health care law, and the planned removal of the Bush tax cuts on the upper 1% reduce the debt;

http://news.yahoo.com/budget-office-obamas-health-law-reduces-deficit-182759278.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/20/us-usa-debt-obama-idUSTRE78G2K320110920

Ryan's budget would increase the deficit even if we keep the status quo in terms of spending;
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/217131-ryan-budget-plan-appears-more-costly-than-status-quo-

In other words, Ryan is a hypocrite. He has no plan to actually reduce the debt, and conservatives are falling for it hook line and sinker.

 

I never hated Romney, just that he was not my top pick for the nomination. That's based on his stances on issues being less than stellar with respect to Conservative ideology. Now that he's picked someone who has been outlining the conservative budget proposals for Congress for the last few years it is obvious that with regards to fiscal policy, Romney is solidly on my side.

I disagree that this veep "has no sway", based on the reasons that I've already mentioned.

 

Reaching the remotes of your leftistdelusionland is going to be like placing a Verizon call to Mars, but I'll still give it a shot.

The last "strong candidate" that the Dems put up against Ryan lost 68%-32%. Good luck with that. Ryan has never been seriously challenged in his district; he's loved there by a cross-over sampling of party members (the only way to garner 68% of the vote).

Also: Obama didn't beat Ryan in an election; that's only something that happened in your REM sleep. Ryan handily killed and dressed Obama's Health Care positions in front of an entire bi-partisan panel: so badly did Ryan outmaneuver Obama that Obama requested talking about it another day - because he was not prepared for the complete destruction of his paper tiger bill.

Sowwy, wefty.

 

No they were done in August. Mitt Romney's campaign is taking late in the game when usually the candidates are getting closer together polle=wise that is.

Kylearan

 

I'm glad you are prepared to admit that conservatism is not the ideology of the Republican party. If they can now rid themselves of the dross, they might achieve something in 50 years time.

 

Grampy was seen as too moderate by the party regulars, just as is Swiss Mittens today. So, to placate the rabid dog right wing of the party, he picked a real right-winger for VP.

Ryan scares moderates even worse because he is even more fully committed to the same stupidity that Ms Moosemeat was selling, but states his case more articulately.

Articulate away, Ryan. At least we know what you are saying at that most of it is hogwash.

 

If Ryan is so great, why wasn't he the presidential nominee instead of Obamney?

... Ah, that is why Romney is supposed to be an easy-to-swallow vector for the hard right to sneak in, apparently.

 

Did you notice that idiot boy Ryan was really pounding on the cuts to Medicare Advantage?

That has been a money pit from the get-go. It mostly benefits the insurance companies.

Ryan does not care whether any health plan can better deliver services to clients, as long as it delivers money to his sponsors.

 

I find it very funny how people from the two parties fight over canidates that are both establishment puppets and hand picked BUY the elite that own and run the worlds monetary policies though the central banking systems!!!!!!!!! I too was caught up in that deceitful web until I awoke from my self induced coma!!!!!!!!

Dont you all see the irony in the two party system? There is no Democrates or Republicans! There is just polititions bought and paid for by the elites to ensure that there agenda of rape plunder of the world wealth will not be interrupped. Even Ron Paul is there puppet, this is how deep the deseption goes!

You are all wasting your time arguing about Obama, Romney and Ryan they are all cut from the same cloth. The political differaces they apear to have is just a vail and a distraction intended to hide what the monetary policies that the central banks use to rape the world of its wealth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As I said before I would have been in ther mindless conversation with you a little over a year ago but then I started studying the creation of money and the deeper I studied the more I uderstude that monetary policy set forth by the elite of the central banking system controls not only the flow of money but everything in the world such as our political stage, military, inflation, deflation, social programs and our large corperations just to name a few!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please donot fall for this deseption study the creation of money for yourself!!!!!!!!!

Sorry for my spelling I didnt see spell check on this forum!

 

Actually, what drove up health care costs was that fewer people could get insurance, so the hospitals had to eat a lot of losses from treating people who could not pay. Then the privatisation of formerly public hospitals and the shift to for-profit insurance mmeant that more money was siphoned off to make parasites like Bill Frist and his daddy (and Swiss Mittens) richer. Making insurance availableto more people means that the hospitals will get paid more regularly for treating the working class.

 

Are you actually arguing prices will go down? 2 things encourage high prices. Not enough people wanting something, and too many people wanting it. The destruction of the middle class is what lead to more and more people not having insurance. Fixing that would have been the mending of the situation. This is nothing more than taxing 19 people for insurance to make sure the 1 out of 20 who needs medical can afford the gouged prices. It is a corporate bought answer to a corporate made problem. The destruction of the middle class can go on without obstruction, and the top simply will get even richer.

 

The reason fewer people could get insurance is because insurance costs went up. Why? Because the cost of health care went up. There is an easy fix for that, go back to 1960's health care. Doubt anyone would be willing to do that though.

Insurance has always been for profit. Making insurance available to more people that cannot afford it is just shifting the cost to those that can and will not reduce the cost of insurance. In fact the ACA is guaranteed to make insurance more costly.

 

The reason fewer people could get insurance is because insurance costs went up. Why? Because the cost of health care went up. There is an easy fix for that, go back to 1960's health care. Doubt anyone would be willing to do that though.

Insurance has always been for profit. Making insurance available to more people that cannot afford it is just shifting the cost to those that can and will not reduce the cost of insurance. In fact the ACA is guaranteed to make insurance more costly.

 

What is the basis for your premise that raising tax rates on capital gains as Obama wants to do, double it, will increase the amount of revenue collected. Do you have some historical data to back this up?

 

I crack up when I hear someone say that the ACA will reduce the debt when the CBO now calculates it will cost 2 trillion dollars over 10 years. That is some fancy math right there man.

 

What drove it up was managed care in the private market where it is no longer "insurance" but where people don't think they should have to pay a dime out of pocket and government pouring money into the system giving people who could not pay for health care as much health care as they desired. Go back to the major medical insurance and private pay for service for routine medical needs and watch the prices come down. Stop allowing people who won't pay for their health care to use emergency rooms and send them to government health clinics where they get the minimal care they need.

 

I would like to see you support this assertion you made. Show me evidence of 'fewer people' getting insurance.

 

it is way too some to start predicting the results but it is nice to have a ticket that has read and understands the constitution. Something that is foreign to the current administration. Socialism has not worked anywhere in the world.

 

LMAO

You know what we cal a northeastern republican out west? A democrat.

 

You know what we in the Northeast call anyone that lives on the left coast in Kallyfornicator? .......A mind-numbed 'beam me up scotty' leftist and socialist.

 

We had an accounting class at the Fundimentalist Baptist Madrassa.

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Let's recap:

"When we pay insurance on our home...we typically do not get a private account that we can spend or pass on to children if we never have a fire..."

You said: "Social Security is primarily not an Insurance. It is most as an Annuity."

"FI(NSURANCE)CA

You need to look the word 'Annuity' up."

You said: "You need to learn. A lot."

"I will stick with what I said:

'When we pay insurance on our home...we typically do not get a private account that we can spend or pass on to children if we never have a fire...'

http://www.sec.gov/answers/annuity.htm "

You said: "Your link defines the nature of 90% of social security benfits to a T. As an annuity.

Is this the result of public education ?"

From the link:

"An annuity is a contract between you and an insurance company that is designed to meet retirement and other long-range goals, under which you make a lump-sum payment or series of payments. In return, the insurer agrees to make periodic payments to you beginning immediately or at some future date."

Sorry, we have no contract between us and any Socialist Security insurance company, it is called a social contract, and Social Security is NOT a product that is sold:

"A financial product sold by financial institutions that is designed to accept and grow funds from an individual and then, upon annuitization, pay out a stream of payments to the individual at a later point in time. Annuities are primarily used as a means of securing a steady cash flow for an individual during their retirement years."

Read more: http://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/annuity.asp/#ixzz23Njn1ubb

It is true according to a dictionary that it is a sum of money payable yearly (hence the name) or at other regular intervals: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/annuity

But, you said "Social Security is primarily not an Insurance." An annuity could be from a rich uncle or welfare, neither of those require payments or taxes for that purpose.

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Now, why did I say what I said?

"This is not math to fix Social Security:

'Invest 1/3 of payroll tax in personal savings account. (Sep 2010)'
'Proposed bill to invest 50% of FICA in personal accounts. (Dec 2007)'

That is math to kill it or make it worse."

The analogy is NOT absurd. Make any part of Socialist Security "a private account that we can spend or pass on to children if we never have a fire," and that defeats the insurance component comparable to wind and hurricane insurance; you do not have a hurricane you do not get the money back, someone else spent it.

"If Romney and Ryan are unprepared for the math, they will LOSE."

I do not want that, but you obviously DO! So keep it up, just have some barf bags ready for election night.

 

Can't fix stupid.

 

LOL. I didn't mean to offend your progressive republicanism. I'm sure Romney will be completely different than Obama and Bush.

 

Long live the Obamanation! Enjoy, you deserve it.