Russia demands NATO guarantee that Ukraine will not be allowed to join alliance.

Why do you say "Wrong" when I did not claim otherwise ? Looks like Mr. "Always Right" . is, Not so much

your definition of "Bogus" being anything that disagree's with you - as you are always right however as we have seen above .. Not so much.

In the real world where folks are not always right - the Article ..first thing popped up in a random google search - turned out to be an excellent article .. for many reasons - . citing many of the same things that Sprey did .. the subject matter expert in the room .. as opposed to you I'm afraid .. and the F-35 is a flying Turkey

Now that is an interesting proposition .. interesting indeed. Good one.

already posted evidence to the contrary to zoomer -again ..

 

"Next Poland" .. there are a number of significant differences .. and so apples and oranges but, Sure .. why not .. In a "Do as we say - Not as we do-land" you do what ever you like.

I am not the one apologizing for Putin -- so please do not project lack of understanding of what you are arguing for on to me.. You are the one that supports "Do as we say .. not as We do" Foreign Policy .. Not me.

 

Do these Biden clowns kill opposition figures?
Shoot down civilian airlines and promise to co-operat in investigations?
Mass troops on the Mexican border and tell the natives how to conduct govt policy?
Block oversea media and threaten to shut down the internet?
Continue to develop chemical weapons, and test them on domestic figures?
Blow up satellites in violation of the treaty on outer space militarization?
Send out military aircraft to constancy harrass the air space of other nations?
Shut down the Republican Party and jail its leaders?
Bend the rule-of-law to enrich the oligarchs
Build mansions while ordinary people live in zoo like conditions?
Brutally beat up and jail protestors?

 

Exactly -- and that is exactly what the two sources I have referred to thusfar say.. here is one .. is long but says what you say in the first fiew sentences.and explains why.

 

Yeah, Russia has long held claims on Poland. Putin has declared that the loss of Poland and
the Warsaw Pact was a tragedy that ought to be remied. He actually says that.

 

In this case the mutl-role is to work with F16's, F22's, A-10's, bombers and drones.
The F35 is an invisible flying computer that is designed to augment and co-ordinate
battle plans.
It's actually proven itself to be quite a good dog fighter for that matter. Not that it matters:
its was said by the German ace Hartmann that seeing your oponent before he sees you
is half the battle. And the F35 is certainly going to be first plane to do the seeing in combat.

 

When did the US face Chinese troops and run? You mean Korea? Where we conducted an orderly retrograde operation when the Chinese entered the war? The beginning of the operation that led to an amphibious invasion at Inchon and a Chinese retreat? Where we retook territory that eventually resulted in the current border between North and South Korea?

There is no draft. There hasn't been a draft since 1973. Even the military doesn't want a draft.

US 8" artillery tube could fire as many nuke rounds as they wanted. It didn't cause any need for destruction. I Commanded a nuke capable M110A2 (8") Battery in Babenhausen, Germany in the early 1980's (B Btry, 2d Bn, 5th FA... part of V Corps Artillery).

All nukes generate EMP, large or small. But with our new CHAMP (made by Boeing) we can generate EMP without the need for nukes. A CHAMP pod fits easily under the wing of an aircraft like an F-16 and similar.

A RAP round (Rocket Assisted Projectile) has nothing to do with nukes.

 

We have a Brigade Combat Team in Poland ready to greet them if need be.

 

Shoot down civilian airlines - YES Putin - NO
cooperate in investigations - Absolutely not - when it doesn't suit them -- Same with Putinsky.

Jail opposition figures .. "Resounding Yes"

Kill opposition figures .. "Resounding Yes"

Targeted Assassinations .. YES

 

The issue with Poland is how close it is to the West .. - and is of no moment in the present as -- they are not threatening to go into Poland.

Who knows what the furture holds ..

 

Has it .. proven to be a good dog fighter you say .. Lets see it. Sprey claims that a 1950's Mig .. or French Mirage .. would hopelessly whip the F-35 in a dogfight.

Not that the -F-35 has ever had one .. so your claim - preposterous nonsense from the outset. "Proven to be a Good Dogfighter" ..

Support for claim por favor.

 

If I recall it scored a 20-1 kill ratio in Red Flag exercises.
But unlike an air craft carrier as opposed to a battleship, it doesn't need the equivalent of 16" guns and 18" steel plate
for naval warfare, that's not its purpose.

 

The Big Problem for Russia is:
It has always been a backward state. Putin admits that half the hospitals have no running water.
People actually have ribbon ceremonies for when dirt roads have their pot-holes fixed - no sealed,
mind you for Russian winters, just 'fixed.'
So having a future Ukraine as a prosperous member of the EU, with high speed rail, universal
electricty and street lighting, open access to information, freedom to chose your own political
parties, high GDP, and sealed roads of course (like Nth vs Sth Korea) is going to promt the
Russian peasants to ask why they can't be rich and free also. There must always be a buffer of
semi-poor, semi-free nations between Russia and the wealthy West.

There was this old joke and I forget the city -- but a Soviet citizen goes to Kyiv and says, 'Ah the
West!' and an Englishman goes to Kyiv and says, 'Ah, Russia!'
As if Russians and Western Europeans can't comprehend how the other half live. And the Russian
elite want it to stay that way. Tomorrow we will see the Russian firewall, like the Chinese one.


Forget the military 'threats' to Russia - who want to repeat Napoleon and Hitler.

 

So why didn't Trump assassinate, say, Hillary Clinton?
Why couldn't Trump control a press that was totally against him?

 

That's not real world - by any stretch of the imagination ... and to claim the plane is "Proven" -- when it has not gone up against an enemy - is simply absurd .... doing well in staged war games .. is not proof of anything w/r to a real dogfight against a real enemy.

All that aside . are you sure the red flag exercize .. is even a dogfight to begin with ?! .. and what on earth does the steel plate on an aircraft carrier have to do with the F-35's ability to dogfight ????

Your posting fallacious nonsence .. aka non sequitur fallacy.

 

Not sure what this has to do with anything I said.

 

I don't know why Trump didn't assassinate Hilly .. what does Trump have to do with the US shooting down civilian airliner in the past .. destroying your nonsense claim ? or any of the other past actions listed ?

You were wrong on every count... have absolutely no clue what you are talking about .. making what 5 false claims .. and then when in position to back up claim .. start yammering on about Trump .. something completely unrelated.

 

It's because Russians have an "inferiority complex"....and yes...a backward state.

Much of what you say....Russkis know this ....but know full well they cannot or are incapable of providing.....and will remain backward for a foreseeable future.

 

Vladolf Putler considers Poles to be "brothers" to the backward thinking Muscovite....just like Ukrainians....and Balts,Czechs...etc....truth couldn't be further....more like oppression and subjugation....its a common trait amongst Asiatic Russki....

 

Read the reports. Troops in some units literally threw down their weapons and ran. That's not conjecture or speculation, it's what the after-action reports actually say.

In case you forgot or didn't know, US troops also threw down their weapons and ran at the Kasserine Pass in WW II. It happens.

Withdrawing in the face of an ill-equipped poorly trained army? Patton would be spinning in his grave.

Then there won't be any conflict.

Without a draft, you lack the force structure and sufficient number of troops to wage any war against the Russians or Chinese.

Even if NATO allies join in the conflict -- which is highly unlikely -- they're not well trained.

Then you should know the warhead is mated to a RAP (Rocket-assisted Projectile) and inserted into the breech with a special propellant charge. The charge kicks the round out of the tube and the RAP ignites and carries the warhead to the target.

You should also know that rips out the rifling in the tube and usually busts the hydraulic lines, making the tube inoperable, which is why it is destroyed.

The 6"/155mm didn't have that problem.

Also, "nuclear capable" isn't the same thing as "nuclear."

By definition, all 6"/8" guns are "nuclear capable" but that doesn't mean they actually had a nuclear weapons mission.

Your unit did not have a nuclear weapons mission.

My job was nuclear weapons. I know every single British, German, Dutch, Belgian, Italian, Greek, Turkish and US nuclear weapons unit because I flew in and visited every one of those units any number of times, in addition to Air Force units in Germany, Italy and Britain that were uploaded with BGM-109G cruise missile warheads (but none of those units were ever operational.)

If you were in 2-5 FA that had to be very early 1980s, because when I came back to Germany in 1985, it was 4-5 FA that provided support to 1st Infantry Division (FWD) and they did not have a nuclear weapons mission for the same reason 1-14 FA 2nd Armored Division (FWD) and 2-20 FA in 4th Infantry Division (FWD) didn't have one.

No, they don't.

The operand is "Compton Scattering."

Hard/soft x-rays, hard/soft gammas, electrons, neutrons, protons and fission fragments flying through the atmosphere on their way to the surface is what Compton Scattering is all about.

Any one of those particles with an energy of 1 MeV will ionize 30,000 particles more or less. It will ionize fewer than 30,000 when less than 1 MeV. Obviously a particle -- like a proton kicked off by the Sun by an X-Class flare -- that has 30 MeV will ionize 900,000 particles.

It's the ionization of the atmosphere plus the contact with the surface that creates the EMP.

This is where spherical geometry comes into play, because the higher the altitude of detonation, the greater the surface area that is affected.

Nuclear devices that are ground-burst only create a localized EMP field that is weak and of short duration.

So, you never actually trained to use nuclear warheads.

I already knew that, because if you had, you know, actually trained, you'd know the warhead is mated to a rocket.

Since you don't know what you're talking about, I'm not gonna tell you how much a W-79 weighs.

Suffice to say it weighs a helluva lot more than a normal round and you're gonna want the warhead to fly more than 5 miles, right?

I mean, I'm just assuming you don't wanna nuke your own people.

 

Hi, sorry I'm not sure what your point is? I'm of the opinion that this is part of a deal making process which played out and played about with and be done behind the scenes - any direct impact on Western European "way of life" will be pretty much nil. Most of the above posts are just number of troops which if you're one of those lads freezing his balls off in some forward position is wasting his time....Chamberlain is not really appropriate here?
Anyway....hope you're fit and well as this Omicron thing is more in the news than Russia...the Ukraine....or Putin's hissy fits

 

No, the US crow-barred their way in.

You like Somalia?

Because you murdered President Schemarke for refusing to give his country's oil wealth to the US and then you installed Mohammed Barre as puppet-dictator who fleeced you for 10 years before being deposed and then Mohammed Adid gained control and then we got a cool movie called Black Hawk Down.

I can see where you would love that.

 

And yet the US made demands on where Russia should deploy its troops in the Warsaw Pact.

That's right...."Do as I say, not as I do" creates a lot of problems.

Stealth does not equal "invisible."

Thank you for admitting that you've never read any of the after-action reports. You can start with the 1st Cavalry Division.

Not for a long-term high intensity conflict. You don't have the force structure or the manpower.

If you think Nasty Guard units are gonna kick ass, that ain't gonna happen.

Why would the Russians use nukes on EU territory?

I don't think you wanna test that theory.

No plans you're aware of.

The US and Britain intend to occupy the eastern Russian republics.

I doubt that the Clinton Administration gave such orders though, as they never let Kosovo be taken from Serbia. That only happened after Clinton left office.[/quote]

Um, it's not gonna be in writing.

It's like when RFK pressured Walter Lippman not to run with the story about the Kennedy Missile Crisis.RFK didn't put it in a memo.

You might wanna check your calendar. I was in Kosovo while Clinton was bombing it in 1999.

That's what your Lame Stream Media says, because that's what your government wants you to believe.

Stealth technology makes aircraft difficult to detect, not impossible to detect.

The fact that tornadoes and clouds show up on radar should be your first clue, but then you don't understand the physics of radars.

 

Since America has and seems to enforce its Monroe Doctrine, I can understand why Russia doesn't want a hostile NATO member state right next door.

On the other hand, I can understand why an independent and sovereign county like Ukraine has the right to join any alliance it wants.

I can't think of an even handed and fair solution that's going to make everyone happy.

 

Your ideas were correct once... but not anymore. The military is no longer as dependent on sheer numbers as it once was. For example, we made the decision long ago to stop fielding tanks in numbers to match the Russians and build attack helicopters. A few Apaches can decimate an enemy tank Battalion. In Iraq, six Special Operators in three pickup trucks full of JAVELINs destroyed an Iraqi tank battalion. I entered a draft Army and retired from a a totally Volunteer Army (VOLAR). A draft is neither needed nor wanted by anyone. From drugs to racism and more, folks that don't want to be in the military ruin the entire force. This isn't the populatiion of the 1940's where folks were generally patriotic and willing to "do their part". Today a draft would ruin the military.

NATO troops are very well trained. They do the same training we do. They do Individual, Crew, and Team training at home station, then go through the Combat Training Center at Hohenfels for final evaluation just as we do. Same standard. Its NATO.

Nuclear rounds were never certified for a RAP configuration.

Your info about 8" tube destruction is PURE BS... totally wrong. And yes, I did have a nuke mission. I had six nukes in my basic load with an immediate EDRE to deliver six more when I had used them. Prior to Reagan's taking over my mission was to go to the border and standby to fire six nukes into the Fulda Gap where,it was hoped, the bulk of the Russian forces would be trapped. After Reagan, that changed and I was to fire six nukes into Est Germany, get resupplied and fire six more... all at preplanned targets.

Cruise missiles? You sound Air Force. You knew nothing of Army units. I wasa ssigned to 2/5 FA from 79 to 82, 23 of those months in Command. We were part of 41st Group. Half of the 41st, and their Headquarters was at Babenhausen. 2/5 FA and 2/83 was there, the other two battalions were in Geissen. My beloved 8" went into retirement sometime around 1985. As I said, I left Babenhausen in 1982.

All nukes generate EMP. EMP is nothing more than an expanding (and collapsing) magnetic field. All nuclear detonation create EMP. Physics is physics. You posted "Hard/soft x-rays, hard/soft gammas, electrons, neutrons, protons and fission fragments flying through the atmosphere on their way to the surface is what Compton Scattering is all about.. NONE OF THOSE THINGS HAVE ANYTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH EMP. EMP is not made of "particles" it is NOT RADIATION. It has nothing to d with ionization. NOTHING. EMP is ElectroMagnetic Pulse. It is MAGNETISM... NOT PARTICLES. Pick up a pin with a magnet... do you see any PARTICLES? No you don't. We're talking MAGNETIC LINES OF FORCE. A common generator works by inducing current in a ferrous material that moves through stationary magnetic lines of force. EMP works the same way except that it is the magnetic field that is moving and the ferrous material which is stationary. Your description is about FALLOUT... totally different subject than EMP.

Oh, before I frget. We certainly did train with nukes. We had a dedicated vehicle to support the construction of a nuke. We had four possible yields, all determined by how you assembled the weapon. It wasn't until I was just about to leave that we got the M752 round which had a programmable fuse that you simply screwed into a briefcase size device and set yield and other data. That was great! Assembling the round was a serious pain in the neck. When we assembled them our plan for emergency destruction required explosives... another pain i the neck. The M752 could be disabled simply by disabling the fuse... good stuff.

The range of an M110A2 without any RAP was 29 kilometers... plenty of range to fire a nuke in safety. We never even considered using RAP. Not authorized for nukes anyway.

May I ask your credentials? I am a West Point graduate, Commissioned Field Artillery, Certified as a "Nuclear Fire Planner", Commanded an M110A2 Battery (B Btry, 2/5th FA) in Germany in the early 80's. We had nukes at the ready, trained to assemble and fire them, and all the rest. 8" was replaced with MLRS/ATACMS by the time I got back to an FA unit.

And you? (I bet you're Air Force)