Russia mocks Britain, the little island

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  1. Vlad Ivx

    Vlad Ivx Active Member Past Donor

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    Then why have Americans a few years ago asked China for a loan and not Britain?
     
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    I've decided not quote the whole of your text as it would consume alot of space.

    Out of all the posts on this topic which seem revolve around taking ineffectual and indecisive pot shots at one another I have to say that this is the most impartial and neutral as well as fair comments that I have read on this topic.

    It's a shame that so few are so judiciously minded as yourself in this matter.

    Thanks
     
  3. Diuretic

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    Good old Minitrue - they're right up to date with their work.
     
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    London is filled with wealthy Russian oligarchs. Even Russians can't get out of Russia fast enough.
     
  5. morfeo

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    i was sure this thread has potential 1974eatingpopcorn.gif
     
  6. Sixteen String Jack

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    Where did I mention the Wehrmacht?

    I said that the first major defeat of Nazi Germany during WWII was inflicted by Britain during the Battle of Britain, when the British Empire was the only power fighting Nazi Germany.

    In fact, as far as I know, the British Empire was the ONLY power in the world to have fought BOTH world wars from beginning to end - from 1914 to 1918 and from 1939 to 1945.

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    You think Beijing has more influence over the US than London?

    For a start, America shares more of its secret intelligence with Britain than it does with any other country.
     
  7. Iolo

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    I'm sorry people have nothing better to do than beat their hollow chests at one another. A great many believe that Von Kamerun made up this alleged quotation anyway.
     
  8. Sixteen String Jack

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    The last time I checked Britain was a European country.

    So?

    Britain was producing great literature before the United States was even discovered.
     
  9. Sixteen String Jack

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    I've already given you several British writers of the Enlightenment - Jonathan Swift, Alexander Pope, Thomas Paine, Thomas Hobbes, John Locke.

    I'm assuming you've never heard of the likes of Elgar, Byrd, Tallis, Handel, Williams, Holst or Brittain?

    I take it you haven't realised that Britain is the country which gave the world the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Oasis, Blur, Black Sabbath, The Troggs, The Who, The Kinks, Led Zepellin, The Darkness, Status Quo, Roxy Music, David Bowie, The Eurythmics, T-Rex, the Sex Pistols, the Clash, the Bee Gees, Psychedelic Furs, Joy Division, the Cure, Echo & the Bunnymen, Pink Floyd, Ultravox, the Human League, Depeche Mode, Genesis, Spandau Ballet, Duran Duran, Bros, Spice Girls, Girls Aloud, A Flock of Seagulls, Aztec Camera, The Smiths, the Housemartins, James, Happy Mondays, the Stone Roses, Inspiral Carpets, Primal Scream, Pet Shop Boys, Erasure, Supergrass, Pulp, Elastica, Razorlight, Keane, Kaiser Chiefs, Muse, Arctic Monkeys, Editors, the Fratellis, Placebo, Lostprophets, the Kooks and the Klaxons.

    I've never known anything so bizarre than the comment that Britain has had little influence in the music world.

    No, it hasn't.

    That doesn't take away the fact that Britain was fighting Nazi Germany alone.

    No, it didn't. Don't be a silly boy.
     
  10. Sixteen String Jack

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    The train is a British invention.

    The first known electric locomotive was built way back in 1837 by British chemist Robert Davidson.

    Caterpillar tracks were invented by Richard Lovell Edgeworth in the eighteenth century. And guess what country he came from - correct, Great Britain.

    As already mentioned, television was invented by the Brit John Logie Baird, and is a well-established fact. I hope never to read again that a Russian invented television.

    Oh dear. You are still trying and failing to escape from British ingenuity.

    The principle behind the operation of a transformer, electromagnetic induction, was discovered by Michael Faraday in 1831.

    The first type of transformer to see wide use was the induction coil, invented by Rev. Nicholas Callan.

    It shouldn't surprise you by now that both Faraday and Callan were from the UK.

    Actually, Britain is more relevant on the world stage than Russia is - politically, economically and militarily.

    And if Russia does the silly thing and decides to take Britain on then Russia's existence might be ended by yet another great British invention - the nuclear bomb.

    It's just a pity for you, however, that Russia did NOT invent the thermonuclear bomb.

    If anyone is trying to take credit for other people's inventions, it's you.

    Hockey, like almost all of the modern world's major sports, was invented in Britain.

    The modern game grew from English public schools in the early 19th century. The first hockey club in the world was in 1849 at Blackheath in south-east London, but the modern rules grew out of a version played by Middlesex cricket clubs for winter sport.

    I could do, but it just wouldn't be as long as a list of British inventions.

    And yet the Russians have problems with their subs EVERY year.

    We could only shoot down the planes that the Germans were using to attack us - you know, the planes that were actually involved in the battle.

    And whilst Britain was inflicting the first major defeat of Nazi Germany whilst fighting alone and getting our cities bombed, Russia was a bystander on the sidelines.

    To say that Elizabeth I killed 100,000 people during her reign is absolutely absurd and I hope I don't have to read such guff on here again. Please do some research the next time you post, because that helps.

    Do you know how many Elizabeth I ACTUALLY killed during her reign? Thirty. Yep, just thirty. And it took me five minutes to research that.

    I'm not taking a lecture off a Russian about colonialism, tyrants, locking people up in torture camps and terrorising our smaller neighbours. It would be like the kettle being called black by the pot.

    And to say the British invented concentration is again absurd, and shows how little, if any, research you have actually done in the matter.

    If America wants to control Britain it will HAVE to send an army here. It wouldn't do it there. America would lose.

    Britain certainly has more influence over America than the deepy distrusted Russia does, and it has more influence over America than any other country does.
     
  11. Sixteen String Jack

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    That's not what the experts say.

    So it was a computer then. It computed.
     
  12. Vlad Ivx

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    Yet how much did they impact outside the English-speaking world (USA/ The British Empire)?


    Maybe I haven't. However I do know of Puccini, Wagner, Frédéric Chopin (Polish), Tchaikovsky (speaking of Russians), Debussy (French).

    Girls Aloud... Don't confuse such things with what is classical opera.
     
  13. Vlad Ivx

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    How about Raphael, Michelangelo or Leonardo da Vinci?
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_track#History
    In 1837, a Russian inventor Dmitry Zagryazhsky designed a "carriage with mobile tracks" which he patented the same year.
    (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)-slap from reality №1.
    Not patented=doesn't counts. Othervise I would have claimed radio and a plane.



    That is a lie, my dear. Denial, doesn't work over here. Stop trying to steal others' inventions.


    Another pitful attempt.
    First patent dates November 30, 1976 by Yablochkov Pavel Nikolayevich. Russian.

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    1) American puppet is more relevant? Please. Britain is Uncle Sam's diplomatic backyard. (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)-slap from reality №1.
    2)Nope, it is not more relevant economically.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)
    Russia 5-th/6-th
    not so great Britain 8-th/9-th
    (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)-slap from reality №2.
    3)Lolwut?)))))
    http://www.globalfirepower.com/
    Russia-2nd.
    Britain-5th.
    (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)-slap from reality №3.
    1)It can't. With no early warning missile attack system Britain is a dead man walking in case of nuclear war.
    Oh....that sounds like (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)-slap from reality №4.
    2)Lolwut?))))) British invention? I thought it was the US to use it first.
    (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)-slap from reality №5.
    Oh get ready to (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)-slap from reality №6.
    Yes, she did.
    First hydrogen device was tested November 1-st, 1952 by the USA. However it was the size of a 3-floor house.
    The first bomb was tested August 12-th, 1953 by the USSR and, unlike American counterpart, it was fully functional and combat-ready.



    We have alreaty find the opposite to be true. So move along and don't bother the public.



    "Every year" was a bit of exaggeration from your side, but that is not such a big trouble, taking into account that we have, well, 10 times more of them, than you do?

    So...that makes this battle irrelevant and unimportant.



    That is a lie or, at best, selective counting. Like killed directly by her order, not by her laws.

    Oh, yes, you do.
    You should read up about your history. I advise you to start with Boer Wars.

    Why would they? If the elite is under your control, why would you possibly invade the country? It is pointless.
    Also, laughed a bit at "America would lose" part.


    :roflol:
    Is it you, Mr.Hill?
    We clearly see, who influences them right now, during the Syria crysis. Tho, it is hardly a popularity contest worth winning.

    Which "experts"? Brits with their supermacy feeling being pwned by harsh reality of being a wild mix of Poland and Pakistan these days?
    "A computer is a general purpose device that can be programmed to carry out a set of arithmetic or logical operations. Since a sequence of operations can be readily changed, the computer can solve more than one kind of problem."

    Mechanical calculator is not a computer.
     
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    Sixteen Jack

    Where did I mention the Wehrmacht?

    Battle of Britain was an air battle won by UK... but it is not the the end of the beginning... It was in Russia, in Moskva and Rostov. Yes Uk fougth both wars from beginning to end...and yes, it was the only country... together Japan... Japan was in the First World War from august 1914 to the end of the war, and from 1937 to september 1945... Both countries, UK and Japan were in the wars from beginning to end ONLY BECAUSE BOTH are islands. Nor UK nor Japan never faced the bulk of the enemy army. (Mass of maneuver).

    Regards
     
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    Great Britain was in War between August 4, 1914 to november 11, 1918. Japan from August 23, 1914 to november 11, 1918
    Great Britain was in war between September 3, 1939 to September 2, 1945. Japan from July 7, 1937 to september 2, 1945.

    Regards. Japan Empire was the country was at war longer, followed by Great Britain. both islands.
     
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    Are you saying that nobody outside the English speaking world has read the likes of Gulliver's Travels and Robinson Crusoe?

    Are you really of the opinion that nobody outside the English-speaking world has read Paine's Rights of Man?

    Are you saying that no non-English-speakers read the works of Thomas Hobbes, who developed some of the fundamentals of European liberal thought: the right of the individual; the natural equality of all men; the artificial character of the political order (which led to the later distinction between civil society and the state); the view that all legitimate political power must be "representative" and based on the consent of the people; and a liberal interpretation of law which leaves people free to do whatever the law does not explicitly forbid?

    And now you know of Edward Elgar (whose works include the Enigma Variations, the Pomp and Circumstance Marches, concertos for violin and cello, and two symphonies. He also composed choral works, including The Dream of Gerontius, chamber music and songs) , William Byrd, Thomas Tallis, George Handel, Ralph Vaughan Williams, Gustav Holst (The Planets, Op. 32)

    Contrary to the beliefs of many people on mainland Europe, there's more to music than just classical, you know. There are many types and genres.

    In fact, British bands invented many genres of music. Britain gave the world punk music and heavy metal.

    Yet more British ingenuity. You just can't escape from it. It's everywhere.
     
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    They aren't British, the last time I checked.
     
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    Is there a law on your planet that states that a computer has to be electronic? Because there isn't on mine.

    Charles Babbage's Analytical Engine of 1837 incorporated an arithmetic logic unit, control flow in the form of conditional branching and loops, and integrated memory, making it the first design for a general-purpose computer that could be described in modern terms as Turing-complete.

    If it is Turing-complete, it's a computer.

    Charles Babbage, a Brit, invented the computer in 1837.

    The world's first electronic digital computer that was at all programmable was Britain's Colossus, used by British codebreakers during World War II to help in the cryptanalysis of the Lorenz cipher.
     
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    The Irish have got you all beaten:


    • After digging to a depth of 100 metres, Russian scientists discovered traces of copper wiring 1000 years old, and concluded their ancestors had a telephone network one thousand years ago.



    • Not to be outdone, the Americans dug down 200 metres and found traces of 2000 year old optical fibres, concluding their ancestors already had hi-tech telephone systems in operation 1000 years earlier than the Russians.



    • A week later, a 500m dig in Ireland uncovered absolutely nothing. From this, the Irish concluded that 5000 years ago, their ancestors were already onto mobile phones.
     
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    Yeah. There is a definition of a computer on the planet Earth. Mechanical calculators are not computers in modern understanding of the word. Those wet dreams you might have about it are irrelevant.
     
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    Yeah... they aren't. :D They never could have been. That's the point.
     
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    As I say, experts disagree with you.

    Computers don't have to be powered by electricity.
     
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    These are children's books. The big books of Europe were not written for children.

    Yet the French Revolution of 1789 that changed to world had nothing to do with it.

    Britain did indeed have some influence on the birth of democracy but through John Locke rather than Thomas Hobbes. John Locke was a main source of inspiration for USA's Declaration of Independence from Britain in 1776. This meant the British Empire had to diminish in line with democracy... ...by a continent - North America. Thank John Locke ;)

    Opera music and pop culture music are completely different things.
     
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    I've already shown that caterpillar tracks were invented by Richard Lovell Edgeworth in the eighteenth century.

    The telephone was first patented in 1876 by Alexander Graham Bell.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone

    The first type of transformer to see wide use was the induction coil, invented by Rev. Nicholas Callan in 1836.

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    1) American puppet is more relevant? Please. Britain is Uncle Sam's diplomatic backyard. (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)-slap from reality №1.[/quote]

    Britain is a lot more relevant in this world than Russia is.

    if it wasn't for a little bit of oil money Russia would be a non-entity.

    The UK has become the most powerful nation in the world in terms of cultural influence - overtaking the US - following the success of the London 2012 Olympics, according to Monocle magazine's annual Soft Power Survey.

    The Soft Power Survey ranks nations according to their culture, politics, business, diplomacy and education rather than their financial or military power, drawing on US academic Joseph Nye's notion of applying power by persuasion and attraction rather than coercion or force.

    The UK came out on top after a year of international success for its filmmakers, musicians and athletes, while a spectacular Olympic Games played out in venues created by a roll call of renowned architects, with the Olympic cauldron by British designer Thomas Heatherwick and the Olympic torch by BarberOsgerby both grabbing attention for their innovation and style.


    http://www.dezeen.com/2012/11/19/britain-most-powerful-nation-in-soft-power-survey/



    Britain has a bigger economy than Russia, accoring to the UN, the IMF, the World Bank and the CIA World Factbook - despite the fact that Britain has a smaller population.

    Last year Britain had the sixth largest ecomomy in the world and Russia only the eighth. In fact, Britain will, over the coming years, overtake France and Germany to become Europe's largest economy.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)


    I would rank Britain higher than Russia military.

    Britain had modern, hi-tech equipment defending and the world's best-trained troops defending it. Russia has antiquated rustbuckets and poorly-trained troops defending it. The Royal Navy is one of just two true Blue Water navies on the planet, unlike the Russian navy.

    You don't do much research before you post.

    Britain has an early warning missile attack system, which is based at RAF Fylingdales on the North York Moors.

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    Oh....that sounds like (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)-slap from reality №4.

    Britain was the first country in the world to start work on nuclear bombs, during its Tube Alloys project - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tube_Alloys. It was doing so before the US.


    So, as I thought, it wasn't Russia which invented the thermonuclear bomb.

    Not according to the overwhelming evidence for all to read.

    The Russian Navy is not as powerful as the Royal Navy. The Russian Navy, unlike the Royal Navy, is NOT a true Blue Water capable navy.

    The Russian Navy is second-rate and underfunded. In 2002, out of 584 naval aviation crews only 156 were combat ready, and 77 ready for night flying.

    The Russian Navy may have 50 subs, but only 26 - over HALF of them - are operational: and you have the cheek to complain about British subs.

    Not only that, but the Russian Navy is planning on reducing the number of its subs to 20.

    You don't live on planet Earth, do you?

    Had Britain - fighting Nazi Germany alone at the time - lost the Battle of Britain or capitulated either the Nazis or the Soviets would have dominated Europe, with the US being able to do little to change things.

    Thankfully for the freedom of Western Europe, Britain won that battle.
     

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