Russian ambassador shot dead in Ankara gallery

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  1. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I stand corrected.
     
  2. D0nRumataEst0rsky

    D0nRumataEst0rsky Banned

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    Russia helped to Erdogan, when USA was trying to make a coup in Turkey. Nobody has forgotten that Turkey had shot down the plane and armed terrorists, but the country's interests are more important than emotions. Russia and Turkey are beneficial to cooperate. For the sake of our peoples to forget about the feud. At least try to do it. Therefore, USA has killed the Russian Ambassador.
     
  3. US Conservative

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    Why? Because relations have been strained recently-with several high profile incidents involving Russian military aircraft being shot down,

    And when did Cold War 2 start up?
     
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    Lolz at lefty/righty stupidity

     
  5. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    :roflol: :roflol: :roflol:

    You are really brainwashed man ... another explaining for this total nonsense you wrote here is not possible, because obviously you really believe this total BS which is refuted by so many facts that you must be really ignorant to ignore them or to tell that all are lies!
     
  6. D0nRumataEst0rsky

    D0nRumataEst0rsky Banned

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    You are a master at writing nonsenses and meaningless messages.
     
  7. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    Sure ... and you come with the most ridiculous claims like now and this is of course serious!
    USA supported a coup against Erdogan ... sure man. Any other pains as such nonsense and meaningless BS in inventory of you?
     
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    D0nRumataEst0rsky Banned

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    Yes, USA wanted to overthrow Erdogan. Gülen is one of leaders of Pro-NATO forces in Turkey. He hides in USA.
     
  9. Mandelus

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    And Erdogan is not?
    Man it was RIGHT YOU who claimed that Erdogan is only a willing puppet of NATO and USA after your Russian Jet was shot down by order of Erdogan! it was Erdogan who attacked in this year all the time Russia for their support of Assad regime and you made a (*)(*)(*)(*) storm against Erdogan.

    And now? Erdogan is only a victim of USA and Russia helped him? Are you serious or is your meaningless post otherwise explainable?

    And about this ridiculous coup: I think behind this was Erdogan himself who know about it since long, prepared well and used this incompetent coup now to change Turkey into a wild dictatorship with no law and justice!

    And No ... Gulen is no hero, but a dangerous sect leader of course, but that he is behind this coup is so ridiculous ... more likely that FSB of Russia was behind!
     
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    So the shooter was one of Erdogans security guys. I figured as much.
     
  11. D0nRumataEst0rsky

    D0nRumataEst0rsky Banned

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    I know that you want Russia and Turkey were at war, but it is not beneficial to our peoples. Therefore, there are attempts to establish a relationship. Really ridiculous when NATO's killers scream about democracy and freedom.

    All right. So USA protect him. USA always support terrorists to use them.
     
  12. Mandelus

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    No, I criticized Erdogan since years to be a hidden dictator who want to change Turkey from a democracy into a dictator country and for oter things. The issue with Cum Hurryet news paper opened latest the eyes about truth in matter of Erdogan!

    And no, I do not wanted or want them in war with Russia, but it was right you who wanted revenge after the short down Russian Jet and it was me who accused Turkey that it was illegal what they did!
    And it was me who always told that I have no problem about that Russia is backing this bloody dictator Assad, because USA have their own bloody dictators ... even Russia is doing war crimes or minimum closing all eyes about the crimes of Assad.

    And I do this all without BS words like NATO killers and blaming Russia to be killers, even they showed in history often to be too.

    And no ... don't start now your common usual hate tirade against Germans who killed millions of Russians in World War 2 please ... I still told you that this will bounce off form me like dirt on Teflon , because my forefathers fought Nazi Germany as Germans too!


    Bla bla bla ... because Erdogan told he is behind the coup, they have to forward him to Erdogan automatically? So please handle over Edward Snowden then back to USA with same reason!

    And before you accuse the NATO and the USA to be whatever evil ... look into the mirror about this bloody gangster governor dictator of Putin in Chechnya - Ramsan Achmatowitsch Kadyrow - and if you only want to tell that this scum of person is a good one, you lost any cedit here!
     
  13. D0nRumataEst0rsky

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    There is no doubt that the United States has killed more people than Asad, Saddam, Kadafi, Miloshevich and etc. USA steals and tortures people in secret prisons. USA is arming the terrorists, has invaded in five countries and has killed millions of people. USA robs the entire planet by using the dollar. USA provoke civil wars. USA is an ugly moral monster.
     
  14. Socialism Works

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    Muslim terrorist attacks in Ankara, Zurich and Berlin on Monday.

    Do you think it might help if the West got out of the Middle East, including America's support for Israel?
     
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    Hey, it's what the USA does best; and I'm sure the terrorists are very grateful.

    Well at least nobody can accuse the USA of not doing its bit toward solving the global over-population problem. [​IMG]
     
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    I have heard this Kremlin lie about Germans and Nazis killing millions of Russians during WWII that I have to puke every time I hear it. Ukrainins, Belarus people, Tatars, and other suffered more from German atrocities during WWII. My own parents were sent to German forced labor camps where they saw Poles, Slovaks, Belarusis, Lats, Lits, and Estonians. Virtually no Russians in in the forced labor camps.

    Soviet Red Army POW's were not treated completely in accirdance with the Geneva Convention on war and prisoners but the facts are that only 54% of Red Army troops were Russian.

    Russia murdered many many more millions of people beforecand after WWII. A good portion of the 50,000,000 people that the Russian Wanabe Filthy murderer Stalin and the Russian NKVD killed were murdered during WWII.

    The vast majority of the Russians killed by Germans were killed fairly, rightfully, and for a good reason. They were Red Army soldiers but they were also filthy Criminal Soviet Communist "Partizans". These Soviet "partisans" were nothing but genocidal murderers and not military people. They were savage killers doing the filthy work of that Wanabe Russian - Stalin.
     
  17. Mandelus

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    Really?
    Yes ... the USA made several bloody wars since end of World War 2 and many of their actions were evil or cost many lives ... and I do not deny this at all.

    For example War in Vietnam based on fake story in cold war area and costs millions of Vietnamese peoples live. Same with the criminal attack on Iraq in 2003 and the following fighting until today ... and there are many minor examples in world given too and anyone who tell that this is not true is of course a liar!

    BUT ... you exclude all the crimes of your motherland completely and even it is not possible to deny things, then it is suddenly uninteresting because it was the USSR and not Russia.
    What was again Afghanistan in the 1980's? Nothing bad done by USSR which includes Russia? I still asked this question in the past to you and your answer was that you denied first the crimes and over 1 million dead Afghans and all is only Western Propaganda as usual ... and after this was not further possible for you to do, your reaction was a) the current war in Afghanistan is more evil + b) How bad the Germans were in World War 2.

    Man ... such a behavior is bad and it is also bad the put all what is in your eyes West into one box with headline "Evil". You blame again and again the NATO to be evil ... but what is reality?
    NATO was counterpart of Warsaw Pact and still exists today after Warsaw Pact not further. So NATO must be removed then too you demand, what is ridiculous! Then you tell that NATO made so much crimes, but which one please?
    What fighting was done by NATO members at all?

    1. Bosnia ... a little bit and TOGETHER with Russia in the mid of 1990's
    2. Kosovo after the bloody dictator Milosevic exaggerated his depression of the Albanian people to prevent any uprising of them or in other words: he made full use of his dictator power to prevent any 2nd War as against Croatia and in Bosnia! Sure...
    3. Afghanistan after 9/11 attack until 2014 ... since then no matter of NATO there!

    Nothing more in matter of NATO as community and to say it clear:
    1. Was agreed with Russia and done together with Russia as partner
    2. Was agreed by Russia to be OK form the Russian government side
    3. Was a clear attack of a foreign power on a NATO member and then article 5 was the case!
     
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    USA is a terrible place, please don't come here!
     
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    When the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan, all NATO countries - poodles USA was screaming that the Soviet Union is a criminal. NATO fools armed to Asama bin Laden! And then there was September 11 and the many terrorist attacks. Now the United States control the production of the heroin in Afghanistan. What NATO's poodles say about it? Nothing! NATO poodles too busy polishing by the asss of USA. I think so and I want it that this time Russia is not going to give NATO the opportunity to accumulate forces and strike first. If you continue to kiss the ass of USA then you will get a surprise missile strike at some point. Hypersonic nuclear missiles in Poland, drones in Ramstein and other offensive weapons will be destroyed.
     
  20. Mandelus

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    And when the USA were same way involved in Vietnam as the USSR in Afghanistan then, all the Warsaw Pact countries = poodles of Moscow were screaming that the USA is a criminal.

    What do we learn out of this?
    Both sides did the same awful things in their wars and were blamed by the other one!

    NATO fools did not arm Osama Bin Laden, sorry wrong!
    The CIA of the USA did arm him and other Mujahedin Groups, for example with Stinger Anti-Air Missiles.
    Even worst USSR Propaganda BS never told that NATO members as Spain, Italy, Greece, Netherlands etc. did support Mujahedin …
    And in Vietnam was it USSR with China who supported North Vietnam and the Vietcong, but also every ganger group who fought against the US there and giving the same crap on who they support. Aside this, it was the USSR who supported the Red Khmer scum who killed about 1 million own people!
    And here also fact that some Warsaw pact members delivered too … for example showed documents of Ex East German Stasi that about 10,000 Kalashnikov rifles produced in arms factory in city of Suhl!

    And the drug problem in Afghanistan is decades old … and you miss that these things are fought too … but better to tell that USA controls them, because more fun as truth!

    And about this ass licking you mean here … When Belo Russ and other Ex USSR Republics are licking the ass of Moscow for same things, you ignore this of course as usual… And who has again since decades a Navy and Air base in Syria for such things too?
    Aside this … It was Aeroflot with Ilyushin planes who brought and still support military of smaller NATO members in Afghanistan… and Aeroflot is again from which country?
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties_of_the_Soviet_Union

    "Kremlin lie? " wtf?
     
  22. D0nRumataEst0rsky

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    Belarus does not recognize the Crimea, Ossetia, Transnistria etc. So that Belarus is an independent state. They have their own interests. Therefore Belarus does not lick the ass of the Kremlin, but Germany licks the ass of the USA.

    The Soviet Union built in Afghanistan, many hospitals, schools, roads, power plants, etc. Many of these objects are working still. USA built anything. USSR controlled the entire territory. U.S. army built fortresses and afraid to stick own nose. The Taliban are expanding their territory constantly. The main achievement of USA is a mountain of corpses, poverty and :

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    https://www.yahoo.com/news/cold-blooded-killer-russias-turkey-envoy-155543858.html

    The cold-blooded killer of Russia's Turkey envoy
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    Istanbul (AFP) - Mevlut Mert Altintas, 22, had been a Turkish police officer in the capital Ankara all his working life.

    On a freezing winter evening on Monday, he walked out of room number 214 in a hotel in the Cankaya district of the city after shaving and putting on a suit.

    The hotel room had been booked on December 14 and he had checked in on Sunday.

    Carrying a total of 75 bullets in three magazines and also in his pockets, Altintas made his way to the Contemporary Arts Centre exhibition hall in Ankara, just metres from his hotel.

    He did not go through the metal detector security check. After being told to do so he flashed his police ID and was waved through.

    As Russian ambassador to Ankara Andrei Karlov was giving the opening speech to inaugurate a photo exhibition of Russian landscapes, Altintas lurked behind, away from the other vernissage guests, listening attentively.

    At 7:05 pm (1605 GMT), Altintas produced a gun and fired into Karlov's back.

    The ambassador flinched in pain and then crashed to the ground on his back. Altintas fired four initial shots into his back and another five when the ambassador fell to the ground.

    Police later entered the exhibition centre and after a 15-minute shootout, Altintas was fatally shot at 7:42 pm.

    What prompted a young policeman with no previous criminal record to commit a crime that, whatever its consequences, will forever be remembered in history?


    - 'Cheerful boy' -

    Altintas hailed from the quiet town of Soke in Aydin province in western Turkey where he went to school.

    "He was a pleasant, cheerful boy. He caused no harm or discomfort to anyone," a teacher from his school in Soke, who was not named, told the Hurriyet daily.

    He attended a special school for training future policemen and then joined the Ankara anti-riot police -- the Cevik Kuvvet in Turkish -- in 2014.

    According to the Hurriyet daily, he had provided protection for Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan eight times since summer this year.

    For the Turkish authorities, the motivation for the crime is becoming more and more clear -- that he was linked to the group of US-based preacher Fethullah Gulen blamed for the 2016 failed putsch bid against Erdogan.

    According to Turkish media, Gulen-related books were found at his home and he is also alleged to have attended a Gulen-backed cramming school (dershane in Turkish) in 2014 to help with exams.

    A dozen people, including his closest family, have so far been detained over the murder with the authorities actively checking their possible links to Gulen.

    Gulen has denied any links to both the coup and the assassination.


    The Sabah daily said among those detained was Suleyman Ergen, a so-called "imam" or senior agent of Gulen who had taught Altintas at the Rustu Unsal police academy in Izmir.

    According to the state-run Anadolu news agency, Altintas had taken two days sick leave on the day of the July 15 coup. It remains unclear what he did on his days off, it added.

    He also called in sick complaining of stomach pains on Monday -- with a note from the same doctor.

    - 'Corpse unclaimed' -

    But Russia, which has sent a team of 18 investigators to Turkey, have urged the authorities not to leap to hasty conclusions and said it is too early to say who was behind the murder.

    Altintas shouted "Allahu Akbar" (God is greatest) and "Don't forget Aleppo" as he waved his gun around at the cultural centre.

    While relations between Turkey and Russia had improved drastically in recent months, there had been angry demonstrations in the country over Moscow's support of President Bashar al-Assad in Syria.

    According to Anadolu, Altintas' body is at a morgue in Kecioren outside Ankara and the autopsy has been completed. So far, no one has come forward to claim his body.
     

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