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Russian`s Great Patriotic War... From Defeat to Victory

Discussion in 'History & Past Politicians' started by Anatol73, May 8, 2012.

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  1. Anatol73

    Anatol73 New Member

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    From 1941

    [video=youtube;pKleq0AKKz8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pKleq0AKKz8[/video]

    To 1945

    [video=youtube;z5mc4DXDL2I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=z5mc4DXDL2I[/video]
     
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    Anatol73 New Member

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    [video=youtube;XZmylHWPwHs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=XZmylHWPwHs[/video]
     
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    raymondo Banned

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    In a nutshell --- all about two psychopaths .
    One made a bad decision -- not to dress his troops for a terrible Russian winter .
    The other , who ordered special troops to shoot every Russian in the back who took one backward step at Stalingrad .
     
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  4. General Winter

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    "Hitler - kaputt, Stalin - gut!"
     
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  5. Anatol73

    Anatol73 New Member

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    Battle of Kursk
    [video=youtube;DI5yrF-D9hs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=DI5yrF-D9hs[/video]
     
    Anatol73, May 9, 2012
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    raymondo Banned

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    But Hitler was smarter .
    He died in 1962 when Stalin had been gone nearly a decade .
    But that's another Topic
     
    raymondo, May 9, 2012
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    First it is fantasy.
    Secand... Even if he died in 1962, he lost everything and died in obscurity...
     
    Anatol73, May 9, 2012
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  8. Caligula

    Caligula Well-Known Member

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    What exactly is the purpose of posting these videos?


    Beg your pardon, but I see nothing "gut" regarding Stalin - a ruthless dictator responsible for millions of deaths.
     
    Caligula, May 21, 2012
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    What if the Scottish had cooperated with the nazis during the battle of England, would the English have gone apepoo afterwards ?
    You do remember what Ukrainians did ...
     
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    Sorry, but to me that is just too much analogical thinking, it's oversimplified and superficial.
    And does it mean that Stalin had to induce a massive famine years before some Ukrainians welcomed German troops as liberaters?
    A wise man he must have been.
     
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    Beg your pardon,but Stalin is a ruthful leader responsible for millions of lives,while antistalinists are paranoid magniacs.
     
    General Winter, May 22, 2012
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    This is what happen almost everywhere with nazi collaborators , it was a long terrible war and people demanded revenge ... a good leader listens to his people .
    As about Holomodor Stalin chose this way as a reply to the rise of Ukrainian nationalism , i think it was a good display .
    The Bolsheviks were very insecure by nature and it was this insecurity that led into humanitarian disasters.

    did the OP gave this link ? http://english.pobediteli.ru/
    sorry but i am having flash disabled .
     
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    it is western propoganda... Stalin is the same dictator as Ruswelt in America... Ruswelt did a lot of bad things... for example GOLD requisition from Americans...
     
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    :razz: German soldiers
     
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    Caligula Well-Known Member

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    I feel quite sorry for you guys.
    Nothing more to add to this nonsens.
     
    Caligula, May 22, 2012
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    Good riddance,guy!
     
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    Well in any forum there are at least two sides to an issue.

    However, I purpose another side.

    A lot of people, historians included say Stalin although a ruthless leader is responsible for the victories at Moscow, Leningrad and Stalingrad as well as others across the Eastern front during World War 2.
    However I think the true victory belongs to the people not the leaders or Stalin.

    In Stalingrad people were working in factories as bombs fell, tanks went out unpainted but they went out,as well as other weapons
    The partasian fighters although somewhat overlooked fought behind enemy lines. hindering German supply lines.

    In Stalingrad the front lines were not of lines on a map but one house to the next sometimes one room to the next.

    Yet after the war was over many of the people got a raw deal for their brave deeds from Stalin

    There is a dvd called Stalingrad anybody interested in the War on the Eastern front of World War 2 should watch it or try catching it on the History channel:peace:
     
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    absolutely correct
     
    SAUER, Jun 3, 2012
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    A brilliant idea - the people won the war,Stalin had nothing to do with it ! Let's continue this masterpiece of thought : it was German people who attacked our country and commited all crimes during the war,Hitler had nothing to do with it.
     
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    IMHO Stalin really f ed up. Before WWII tens of thousands of Soviet officers were wasted. That purge definitely weakened the Red Army. In 1941 he overlooked the fascist invasion. Also about 1 mil Soviet ppl collaborated with nazis because stalin’s regime pissed them off.
     
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    Before Hitler there were no Nazis after people became Nazis their choice.
    After the end of World War 2 Nazis weren't too popular of a people

    After the Czar's fell people of Russia were socialist they were socialist before Stalin and after

    After World War 2 Russia was still a people that were socialist.:peace:
     
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    Well wasn't there an alliance between Stalin and Hitler before Hitler invaded Russia?
     
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    Yes it was. But it was a forced move. Don’t forget before that was the Munich agreement "peace for our time" ©)). In fact western democracies gave up Austria and Czechia to Adolf .They tried to cause a clash between fascist Germany and USSR. You know each side had its own agenda and interests…
     
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    That's true,but in my opinion most fascist follow orders.
    Some partisans fought without orders.

    It was said that even after the third Army in Stalingrad was encircled at Stalingrad the General ask Hitler for permision to try a breakout and Hitler told him not to move.:peace:
     
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    But then general Paulus capitulated without any permision;)
     
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