Sacramento: High School Science Fair Questioning Black Intelligence Sparks Outrage

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article199440204.html

Do you think that High School students should be able to discuss politically incorrect subjects such as this if they create outrage in the community? Does it matter if they are backed up by scientific research?

 

Several times I've posted on this board a study by UCLA, let me repeat that, UCLA, showing that intelligence is hereditary and you can easily do a search on the IQs among the races and it won't be flattering to some people. But suddenly the left ignores settled science and calls it racist.

If we're going to live in a world where even hard science has to be politically correct then we're screwed.

 

There's nothing new about the political-correctness cult and their medieval allergies to serious studies in genetics and eugenics that would surprise me.

Truth: although we must (MUST) be considered equal as citizens before the law, it is the most illogical kind of stupidity to suggest that all people are created equal in intelligence, intellectual capacity, or in the behaviors reflected in various races of humanity. An excellent source for reading in this entire subject area is a book from 2014 entitled, "A Troublesome Inheritance: Genes, Race and Human History", by Nicholas Wade. After reading this book I'll never view our human races in the same way again -- and not in a hateful, 'racist' way, either. We have the potential now to rise above all the stupid, knee-jerk denials of serious, professional research by embracing the more convincing ideas that arise from these efforts and developing them through more research to improve the quality of life for us all!

Link: https://www.amazon.com/Troublesome-...18290447&sr=1-1&keywords=troubled+inheritance

Oh, before the hyperliberal, politically-correct Left curses me for being a White male, descended from non-Jewish European stock, reflect on the idea that Wade suggests -- that the most evolutionarily advanced race today are East Asians (Orientals). And right up there with them are certain groups of European Jews, who largely maintained their own racial exclusivity. Oooh! Now, let the hell-raising begin!

. "We don't want to hear it, and we'll kill you for saying it!"

 

Ah, race baiting.

The cornerstone of science...

 

And is intelligence also linked to race?

 

The discussion probably would've played better in Alabama.

 

You claim to have all of these studies and then complain about science having to be PC. And you don't see a contradiction in that.

This was a hs project that surely didn't address all of the complexity in determining intelligence.

The GE nuclear division did a study to determine who had been the most successful employees over their careers, and compared their GPAs in college. It was found that by far, the best employees were B students. They had created the most, achieved the most, and produced the most.

So who is smarter, A students or B students?

 

Well, this is a very touchy subject, even when presented with the upmost accuracy and facts. It is a fact that average IQs vary between the races. A certain group of jews have the highest average IQs, followed by asians, followed by whites, then hispanics and finally blacks. But within each race there are greater differences in IQs than seen when comparing the groups against the other. And so you can have a white dumber than a bag of hammers and a Neil Degrass Tyson who is black. So, at the end of the day it is an individual thing not a race based thing.

Why would anyone even want to compare the average IQ of the various races? I could understand it if you were trying to figure out why one race seemed to do less well economically, since IQ and economic security are related. But to use this to try to evidence all blacks are dumber than all whites is nonsense. And I get the idea that if left up to HS students, you would get this kind of hurtful nonsense. If a jew from that group I referred to did it, would the lower average IQ asians, whites, hispanics object? Sometimes comparisons are odious, and this is that case, IMO.

 

Mississippi.

 

Outrage does not trump speech

 

I don't think it is at all.

 

It looks like average IQ scores are, but within each race there is much more difference in IQ scores than in the difference in IQ between races. So, you can have whites who are dumber than a bag of hammers and blacks who are really smart. So, it is an individual thing, given this. I am white, but I think Neil Degrass Tyson has a higher IQ than I do. In fact, I know that he does given I cannot do the physics the man can do. And you know what? That does not bother me at all. My gifts lie in creating a business which allowed me to retire in my late 50s. Yet I could never be a physicist. I am not bothered by that at all. But I never have earned what some of these black music artists have earned. One can have gifts which are not related to IQ level and be millionaires, successful.

 

What complexity? IQ scores tell the tale and that isn't complex. I am not bothered that asians and a particular group of jews have higher average IQs than whites do. Are you? But the averages really do not tell the whole story. As noted in my posts above this one.

 

Of course it isn't. I was trying to demonstrate the flawed logic of relating genetically inherited intelligence with race.

 

I tested at genius level but I am anything but a genius lol.

I don't put much stock in IQ's.

 

This study doesn't prove either. Maybe the A students were no longer challenged by the work environment like they were in school. Or, maybe the B students were more challenged in school, but thrived in the work environment. Nothing about intelligence can be determined.

 

Yes, and IQ score race averages can be influenced by environmental factors as well. I mean, how can we expect average black IQs to be as high as average white students in the US when we take into consideration the academic environment that black youth are subjected to.

Everything is not black and white. pun intended.

 

Another thing.
As a infantry sergeant in Iraq 04-05, I saw how people react to extreme stress. I think that is another factor of intelligence that people do not consider. I saw a guy who was considered to be one of our top soldiers in every category break out of formation and run down the street leaving everyone behind because a grenade had been thrown at us. I also know a guy that everyone considered to be somewhat of an idiot stand firm under enemy fire on many occasions, too many to count. He actually became one of my best friends because of that. I think these examples show that there is more to intelligence than just solving puzzles and remembering strings of characters. Maybe there is something about being able to maintain your cerebral functions while under extreme mental pressure that includes life or death.

 

I think the research shows that IQs are genetic, and it is not possible to increase above what the genetics give you to work with to any significant degree. No doubt the environment might hurt the genetically inclined somewhat, yet genetics seem to be the primary factor in IQ. It is like musical abilities. It seems to run in families, in genetic lines. There is a big difference between an average guitar player and Jimi Hendrix or Ed Van Halen. To be as good as the greats, needs genetics. The environment will only take one so far. So genetics affects more than IQ scores, but other abilities as well. It is just our reality.

 

I think alabama had more white pockets where this might play better. Ms. has fewer pockets of whiteness. And is not a racist state at all. It was when I was growing up, when I saw what real deal racism looked like and felt like. I have not seen that kind of racism since the 60s. As two generations of white southerners died out, so did the racism. Sure, some of it still exists, but when you no longer know any racists, that is evidence something changed drastically. And I know of no racists here in Ms. I see the racists on TV, when they gather together, but they have to come from near and far in order to muster enough of them to count, as we saw in Charlottesville. Such a small number.

 

I disagree.

Practice and motivation can make up for genetics. What you are saying is Van Halen would automatically be better at guitar if he never played then someone without his inherent skill who practices all day long.

That isn't true.

I could have more intelligence than someone in my class but if they do the work, and I don't, they will get a better grade.

 

Not my point.
Of course intelligence is hereditary and of course it can be influenced by environmental factors.
My point is to say that intelligence is not a factor that can be genetically tied to race, and saying that one race has average IQs higher than another does not prove anything.

The majority of black kids in the US go to schools that are in the bottom of school rankings. How can you then take the average IQs of black people and compare them to a race of people who overwhelmingly go to better schools?

Thus, environment affects racial average IQ scores.

 

Well to be fair, IQ tests aren't just basic knowledge tests.

Its not like playing Jeopardy.

You could do very well on an IQ test with little actual knowledge.

 

You are wrong. Practice cannot make up for genetics nor can motivation. A musical great has the genetics to be just that, like the muscular and natural cooridination ability to actually play particular pieces. Or practice and be motivated as much as you want but you will never match the superior athlete either. You will never be a top caliber quarterback unless the genetics allow it.

The really intelligent people I know, never had to do much work at all in order to outscore others on tests, even those who worked their arse off. It used to infuriate me given I had to really study hard while in college long ago.

Hard work and motivation can only carry one so far, and then the genetics allow for superiority. I think that is irrefutable if you were to study this.

 

You cannot score in the upwards range unless you have the genetics. And that is the point. It is the superior ability of some genetically inclined brains to process better. Einstein's brain was saved, as you may know. What was discovered about his brain which is different from say, yours or mine? Hint, it had to do with the concentration of neurons. Which is genetic. Not environmental.