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  1. Robert E Allen

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    The National Education Association (NEA) is the largest labor union and professional interest group in the United States. [2]

    It represents public school teachers and other support personnel, faculty and staffers at colleges and universities, retired educators, and college students preparing to become teachers. The NEA has over 2.9 million members and is headquartered in Washington, D.C.[3] The NEA had a budget of more than $341 million for the 2012–2013 fiscal year.[4] Lily Eskelsen García is the NEA's current president.[5]

    The stated mission of the NEA is "to advocate for education professionals and to unite our members and the nation to fulfill the promise of public education to prepare every student to succeed in a diverse and interdependent world." [6]

    The NEA, originally on the conservative side of U.S. politics, by the 1970s emerged as a factor in modern liberalism.[7] While the NEA has a stated position of "non-partisan", it typically supports the Democratic Party.[8] Conservatives, libertarians, and parents' rights groups have criticized the NEA's liberal positions.[9]

    State affiliates of the NEA regularly lobby state legislators for funding, seek to influence education policy, and file legal actions.

    At the national level, the NEA lobbies the United States Congress and federal agencies and is active in the nominating process for Democratic candidates.[10] From 1989 through the 2014 election cycle, the NEA spent over $92 million on political campaign contributions, 97% of which went to Democrats.[11]
     
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    Ok, how does that support what you're saying? The NEA has no say in the things you were complaining about (unless I missed something). States like the one I'm in don't allow teachers to unionize, so groups like the NEA can do little for those teachers. The NEA, like many teachers, has been fighting against the one-size-fits-all methods of instruction that states and the Federal govt. have been pushing for decades.
     
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    View points about what policy should be enacted and what policy shouldn't.
     
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    Debate is a game to see who is more quick-witted it is not a discussion about ideas. Trapping someone in a logic does not mean you are correct.
     
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    Texas.
     
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    I don't think that's going to be enough. The union although I am not a fan is the only thing protecting the teachers from the school board and in order to save face they would throw every teacher they had under the bus. If you did that I think we would see a lot fewer people become teachers we certainly wouldn't see it as a long-term career.

    No the union is a symptom of a problem. I think we need to destroy the department of education. it shouldn't be operated by politicians and should be operated by experts in the field.

    What that would take would be one of the hardest things to get, people to care.

    Well school's performance should be based on how will the students are learning valuable skills. Not in what district they collect taxes from.

    The proof of this is in the juice. Look at charter schools. They are actually public schools from the same way under public schools are. If they fail to meet certain criteria they lose their funding.

    They are turning out students with much better chance of success even using the broken messed up outdated the curriculum we use in public schools.

    To even with broken and Rusty tools they are doing better.
     
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    You give me a site from showing individual marches at different times, If it was just one march in this country then I am sure schools would not give them the day off. This took place in one day in over 7000 cities and way over a million young people
    By the way the schools in Maryland did not give it a excused absence
     
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    I'll admit it's a bit of a side argument not really related to the cheerleaders.

    But the NEA in fact is a liberal organization who is pushing liberal education policy and that is what is destroying our schools.

    For example they accept and push the Lbgtq whatever else agenda.. and that is an issue on which they should be absolutely silent.

    Educators have no right to push that agenda, it is a violation of church and state.
     
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    The union is too weak to screw over anyone. The real reason bad teachers aren't fired has to do with management not wanting attention directed at their weak discipline policies. You might note that the percentage of teachers terminated is about the same in union as it is nonunion states.
     
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    Teachers created the NEA for their purposes. The continued existence is up to them.
     
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    Liberal education policy, where such policy exists, tends to be associated with better student performance.
    The matter is resolved. LGBTQ is not an issue any longer.
    Any adult has every right to press for LGBTQ rights.
     
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    Teachers tend to form voluntary associations to do some of what unions do.
     
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    Pols aren't going to finance public education and have no say.
     
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    The only people who should he ave influence over education are parents.. parents give teachers their marching orders and the educators decide if they want to be empkoyed or not.
     
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    Bullshit. They have sharply increased their donations to the Democrat Party to 23 million in 2016.

    That's politician buying money. And it always seems that the Democrats want to continue with the fractured system we have. Any attempt to make more charter schools is opposed strictly by democrats.

    So yes they are that powerful.
     
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    I don't know what you mean by pols.

    If that's too mean politicians dude that's absurd who do you think allocates funding for it. The reason it is in its broken dysfunctional shape is because of politicians.

    If that's not what you meant by pols disregard. Than explain what you meant.
     
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    I would suggest you try holding a discussion of ideas with teens before making too many assumptions. I'm not at all against it, in fact, I used to use Socratic Seminars as part of the course. But there were more times when the discussions ended in shouting matches than I care to think about. It's a lot like on these boards except that most kids are reluctant to speak, and those that do speak up tend to be quite outspoken. For the most part, high school kids are not terribly concerned with more than a few moments of discussion.

    In that sense, something like a debate club is really the best approach. The problem there is that schools are increasingly unwilling to fund anything other than the basics.
     
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    In your opinion, what makes charter schools better?
     
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    True, and in Right to Work states, teachers can pay dues to the union in exchange for things like legal counseling, although the unions can't bargain for them and teachers can't strike. At best, the groups like the NEA lobby for teachers.
     
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    They are pushing for equal treatment for all students. In your opinion, why is that a problem?
     
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    There is no "they" in states that don't have teachers' unions.

    Check out the firing rates (too low IMO) is states with unions (like CA) and the national rate.


    Here is a more detailed look at the impact of teachers' unions.

    The facts aren't on your side.
     
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    The rightwinger dream of being able to axe teachers with impunity (bad ol' leftist teachers, of course) is just that--a dream.
     
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    That attitude of axing teachers with impunity was one I always looked at like, "I double-dog dare you'.
     
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    Pols aren't going to get out running public education as long as they're paying, if for no other reason than a large pot of money provides opportunities for graft.
     
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    The pols in our school district know the teachers' union will insist on due process in teacher evaluations and that negative evaluations will include a look at overall school discipline--to wit, is management supporting teachers in maintaining classroom discipline.
     

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