Here we see the ugliness of the effort by orthodox AGW advocates to suppress dissident research. In this case the dissidents were devastatingly accurate, so the orthodox assault was especially vicious. The Paper that Blew it Up By Andy May “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with Bull…” W. C. Fields and, flying a bomber over Berlin. In late February 2015, Willie Soon was accused in a front-page New York Times article by Kert Davies (Gillis & Schwartz, 2015) of failing to disclose conflicts of interest in his academic… Continue reading →
I haven't had time to read your link, but the trend in the global mean temperature (GMT) is close to 0.18 degrees per decade since 1970 based on several data sets. The model projections have been slightly higher than that.
Energy numbers are studied closely by organizations the world over. Suggesting there are nations that are fooling these analysts can not be justified. I suspect your comment above comes from your general process of picking numbers YOU like while ignoring what has been found by analysts who make it their business to know.
Well, no. Can Chinese coal data be trusted? Why we should not believe ... carboncounter.wordpress.com › 2015/06/08 › can-we-t...Jun 8, 2015 — Anyone with faint knowledge of China's history will not be surprised. ... Glen Peters put it well, Chinese energy statistics are like a good bottle of ... Here's why it matters that China is admitting that its statistics are www.washingtonpost.com › monkey-cage › 2015/12/28Dec 28, 2015 — To put it more clearly, energy use and economic growth ought to be closely tied. But only improved GDP statistics will help local bureaucrats ... Why People Don't Trust China's Official Statistics - China Briefing www.china-briefing.com › news › people-dont-trust-ch...Mar 30, 2017 — It can, however, be difficult to identify these discrepancies in official ... Further, using energy consumption and trade statistics as proxies to ...
Our adminstration has touted COAL. That's why I mentioned it. And, I've pointed out that gas is increasing at about the rate necessary to match the demise of coal. The growth in our energy demand is the same or less than the growth of clean energy in the US. So, now you not only post Watt, but add in Willie Soon!! I suppose you do realize that his methodology and results have been roundly refuted. But, that's not going to stop you, is it. And, it's CERTAINLY not going to slow Watt, who publishes absolutely any crap that supports his opinion.
This is EXACTLY my point!! Thanks for your support. As I think you recognize, energy analysis is not a matter of receiving data from a government and then BELIEVEING that. If that were the case, we wouldn't know the difference between China's published numbers and what is actually going on in that industry in China. Yet, your articles show that we DO know that difference. Do you think we take China's word for it when it comes to analysis of military capability and deployment? Do you think we ask China how many troops they have and then believe their response? Yes, we know that their government doesn't always give out accurate information. But, they can't hide their coal plants and solar fields from satellites. They can't hide their exports. They can't hide their patents or they wouldn't mean anything. They can't hide their coal mines. They can't hide their transmission lines. They ca't hide their wind farms. They can't hide the gigantic deals for electric power generation that they have with other countries. Analysts aren't stupid.
That's false. Soon was attacked personally because his work could not be refuted, as demonstrated in the linked article.
More fuel for the fire, as it were. Climate Politics The Guardian: “China has started to ‘walk the walk’ on climate crisis” No criticism for China? The Guardian is praising China for cleaning up pollution, and attacking the USA over President Trump leaving the Paris Agreement. But as is often the case with China, the rosy picture painted by The Guardian and their Chinese government approved “activist” source Ma Jun does not appear to match the reality of what is actually happening. ". . . But as is often the case with China, reality appears to be a little different to the spin. … Whether or not there is high-level political support for the idea, important industry players are making a push for significantly increased limits on coal-fired power capacity. The industry group for China’s power sector giants, China Electricity Council, has argued that coal-power capacity “will” reach 1,300GW by 2030, up from 1,050GW today. This target is based on its projections for annual electricity demand and the need for capacity to meet peak loads. A cap of 1,300GW in 2030 would imply the addition of well over 300GW of new coal-fired capacity this decade, after accounting for the retirement of older plants. China Electric Power Planning and Engineering Institute (EPPEI), the authoritative consultancy that has designed most of China’s coal power units and grid infrastructure, warned in June 2019 that 16 provinces in the country should increase new capacity and start working on a new batch of thermal power plants to avoid the possibility of shortages in the next two to three years. The thinktank affiliated with China’s giant grid utility company, State Grid Corporation of China (SGCC), stressed the need to maintain coal-power capacity in a July 2019 intervention: “[China] should not close coal power plants at a large scale too soon or too fast and, by around 2030, we should maintain around 1,200GW of coal power to ensure the reliability of the power system, and key power generating regions should retain some backup and reserve capacity.” However, the thinktank did not clearly define what “too soon” or “too fast” would mean in practice. … Read more: https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-will-china-build-hundreds-of-new-coal-plants-in-the-2020s"
"Nevertheless, the international community should be assured that China is genuinely interested in leading the world in one particular sector: deployment and investment in renewable energy.8 China is already leading in renewable energy production figures. It is currently the world’s largest producer of wind and solar energy,9 and the largest domestic and outbound investor in renewable energy.10 Four of the world’s five biggest renewable energy deals were made by Chinese companies in 2016. As of early 2017, China owns five of the world’s six largest solar-module manufacturing companies and the world’s largest wind turbine manufacturer." https://www.csis.org/east-green-chinas-global-leadership-renewable-energy CSIS is one of the two top ranked think tanks in the world, and our best. One of the many benefits China gets out of this is that they regularly get to chastise us for being useless.
Yes. Thanks again for your support. Yes, the coal industry in China is fully aware that there is significant downward pressure on coal. And like in America, thsoe coal interests are not just going to watch that happen without opposition, as it is against their economic interests.
You are right, science isn't the problem. The problem is the interpretation of the science. And who is the best in the interpretation of the science? Politicians, priests, rabbis and imams of course. Here is IMHO the best interpretation of the medical science: the coronavirus is a Democrats hoax which miraculously disappear in April.
That is a very astute comment. It seems to apply to many Americans these days. I found the carbon.brief.org article interesting and informative but I don't know what we can conclude about China's carbon emissions in the years beyond 2050. I have read that China hopes to be carbon neutral by 2060. Is that reasonable? Would a 70% reduction of carbon emissions by 2060 be reasonable? I don't know.
Just to be clear, I'm the one accepting what the world wide science effort on climate has given us. You're the one coming up with individual outliers whose results have been examined and discarded. And their results are not even the same - making it look like you're just picking individuals who supoprt your reconceived opinion. You site Watt!! And, you're the one who's also trying to deny what China has committed to doing - and in so doing you explicitly ignore what's going on there. Once again, this is a pattern that your idology is controling, not rationality. I haven't suggested anything radical in terms of policy response OR science. Yet you keep bugging me with the same approach. Do you think that's going to cause me to start denying science, economic opportunity, international politics, etc?
I actually don't care what you start doing. And yes I cite WUWT; it's a trustworthy site. Shaviv and Svensmark are frequent collaborators. I doubt you'll find much difference in their conclusions. I'm not denying what China has committed to doing; I'm denying they're committed. I follow my own course, based on my own experience and understanding.
WUWT prints anything that supports Watt's opinion. Being informed by science does not mean finding two guys who support your opinion.
I don't think you're actually familiar with WUWT. They print contrary views frequently. In fact WUWT is about an order of magnitude friendlier to disagreement than is RealClimate or SkepticalScience.
The bottom line is that WUWT is NOT a journal of legitimate science. It is Watt's personal blog - a blogger who tried and failed to graduate from college. All he can do is search out stuff that supports his personal opinions. Please, please, please search for better sources.
I thought that this was interesting and is an extreme example of science denial that probably is politically motivated. South Dakota ER nurse recalls how dying coronavirus patients spend last minutes insisting virus isn't real Kathryn Krawczyk Mon, November 16, 2020, 8:18 AM MST·2 min read from Yahoo News https://www.yahoo.com/news/south-dakota-er-nurse-recalls-151800579.html South Dakota ER nurse Jodi Doering has seen some disturbing examples of COVID-19 denial as she works through the pandemic After a Twitter thread of her experiences started circulating, Doering appeared on CNN's New Day on Monday to describe how South Dakota hospitals are overwhelmed with coronavirus patients — and yet some of them don't believe the virus they have is real. While many patients are "grateful for the care they receive" from nurses, some COVID-19 patients spend their last moments refusing to call family and friends because they're convinced they're going to be fine, Doering said. "Their last dying words are, 'This can't be happening. It's not real,'" Doering recalled. In some cases, patients even insist they have the flu or lung cancer to avoid acknowledging the coronavirus. Even after being tested positive for the coronavirus, some people refuse to accept the results.
What an astounding story of science denial. What our healthcare workers are going through is absolutely mind boggling. Their rate of contracting COVID is high as the work under unbelievably harrowing circunstance, short on supplies even just to protect themselves while they serve a population that fights both personally and politically against the very idea that the disease is REAL!!! BTW: North Dakota is allowing COVID positive health care workers to continue working, as their facilities are at 100%.
