Secret Net Neutrality Regulations

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  1. PatrickT

    PatrickT Well-Known Member

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    Questions: Why are the 332-pages of internet regulations that are designed just to help us, the users of the internet, being kept a secret. Surely, there must be a huge reason for the most transparent administration in our history to keep the 332-pages of regulations a secret from the people. I wonder how many regulations are on 332-pages? Do we really need that much help?

    Once again, we're told that we can learn what's in there after it's been passed. That didn't work so well the last time, did it?
     
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    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well there is the very real problem endemic in all government monopolized infrastructure industries - it's very easy for state and industry to collude for the benefit of both, giving the telecom companies monopoly powers over the internet, and the ability to (*)(*)(*)(*) you around/overcharge/etc.

    But as usual their solution is more government involvement. It's also a non-existent and potentially beneficial problem. Think of it like car insurance for old people and those who don't drive often: those who don't have any interest in FTP/P2P networks/whatever can pay less per month to have their access to these services throttled. The regulations should at least allow for this sort of specialization of service.

    But most likely we'll get a one-size-fits-all central bureaucracy, like we always do.

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    To be honest I'm not all that concerned about internet freedom. As long as at least one jurisdiction on Earth has freedom in the internet realm and government's hands off the utility, we can all have the same through modern encryption and tunneling methods.

    The main downside is that our net will need to be a bit slower. But the thing is, the government is already watching everything everyone does at the backbone level. Pushing everyone over to encryption and tunneling to non-retarded jurisdictions would have the massive pleasant side effect of completely eliminating the effectiveness of the government's dragnet spying program.

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    The best thing about the internet is that if you're willing to put in a minimal amount of effort, the government can get (*)(*)(*)(*)ed - there's nothing they can do about your lack of concern for their laws. Makes most policy completely pointless.

    Like anti-piracy legislation, for instance. So easy to get around you may as well not bother.
     
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    Good question. Hell good question. And I beleive that you don't disguise some information unless you are sure people won't like this information. So there's a huge doubt we would like these regulations... But who cares...
     
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    The FCC has had this on the table for quite some time and has had a massive response from the public, particularly the average internet user who favors net neutrality. Those opposed to it are the bigs like Comcast, AT&T, etc. who would love to charge even more for fast access. Not to worry, however, because when those rules are released today, there will most likely be an immediate lawsuit:

    Those of you who just love Republicans and believe they are best for the country can continue to vote for them so they can continue to pass laws favoring corporate interests (like big internet companies) and crapping all over you and yours (unless you're a multi-millionaire, of course).
     
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    Oh this administration is transparent, all right.

    We can see right through them....
     
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    Government destroys everything it touches.
     
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    Speak for yourself.
     
  8. PatrickT

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    Okay, Grizz, did the people giving input actually know what the socialists were doing to them or did they simply believe that they'd get cheaper internet service? Did they see the regulations being promulgated?

    - - - Updated - - -

    And those of you who believe with Grizz that a benevolent dictator who lies and cheats will take care of you can keep voting for the Democrats.
     
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    If you really believe this bill will help rates go down.... There is healthcare system for you to look at as comparison.

    If you want to (*)(*)(*)(*) something up, let the government run it.
     
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    First, these new regulations are not neutral, they're simply a way for the federal government to insert themselves into the private sector and charge us for it, which they will. The FCC hasn't invested one dime in internet infrastructure, private companies like AT&T, Verizon and others have, and they've the reason we have the level of service we do, not the FCC. So why does the FCC feel justified to move the board room to their offices and tell these private enterprises how they can and cannot recoup their investments and charge us, the consumer, for doing it? Simple, because they don't like not being in control, period, and it's why they've tried this stunt over and over again. Thankfully the courts have nixed their previous power grabs, and hopefully this one will go down in flames as well, but in mean time it'll likely have an adverse effect on new private sector investment by the major players which will slow down advancements.
     
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    The only reason to keep it secret is to mask its true purpose.

    Does anyone here believe that government regulation of the internet, (hereafter, referred to as 'ObamaNET'), will result in faster speeds, greater security, and lower prices for consumers? If so, can you point to ANY OTHER EXAMPLE of this ever happening?
     
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    Like the progressive protect billionaire Warren Buffett by not passing the pipeline?
    Like Holder not doing anything about global bankers that are stealing money. That also donated to the progressive movement? Wasnt obama that was going with a Comcast billionaire?
    What about Holder protecting Wall Street for donations from their streaking and fraud?
    Progressives attack on small businesses and middle class. I would bet you there will be taxes on that will affect them. While helping progressive favorite corps.
     
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    Remember that old saying 'If its not broken don't fix it'? Anyone aware that the internet was broken?
     
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    Progressive see it as broken. It's an open taxing source to destroy the middle class and small businesses. This another tool for their war on the middle class and small businesses. To help their donating global corps.
     
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    If what you say is True and it ISN'T. Then why are the 320 or so pages not
    being made public.Like in Eminent Domain.The public has a right to know and
    this Government has a duty to make public.
    It's that simple.I don't care about all the Obama Nicey talk.
    This Government is at it again.Crafting in secret { a pet project given to
    Mignon Clyburn } plans to take over the Internet by making it appear
    an innocuous way to merely provide fair all around speed and access.
    That isn't possible.No way on earth would 320 pages be needed for simply that.
    It's a flat out con. Mignon Clyburn has been crafting this takeover for some time.
    I say with the help of those like Cass Sunstein.
     
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    It's more so Netflix, who don't want to have any restrictions placed on people going to their site, even though their traffic makes up the majority of data volume.

    Here in the land of Oz we have data limits (500GB/month for example) - so the problem isn't so present. People self-regulate their use because if they go over they're stuck with 56k. But where plans are unlimited people don't have that incentive. Sure, ISPs will stop you if you try to use a clearly commercial quantity of data on a residential plan (will that be allowed under NN?), but by and large you download whatever you like, whenever you like.

    That's a very alien concept to us.

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    NN really amounts to price control more than anything else.
     
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    Which means this POTUS has a real problem.This may go to state and
    frame of mind.Possible clinical insanity.Which Napoleon suffered in his
    later years.Probably due to all the War noises and battle fatigue.
    When a person both lies,repeatedly,and could care less,even appear proud
    as if some accomplishment,that goes to state of mind.
     
  19. PatrickT

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    I wish every liberal posting here would watch that promise of transparency and explain what's happened.

    Steady Pie: " Sure, ISPs will stop you if you try to use a clearly commercial quantity of data on a residential plan (will that be allowed under NN?), but by and large you download whatever you like, whenever you like. That's a very alien concept to us."

    And, having websites in whatever language you want is alien to some. Reading news from whatever source you want is alien to some. Chatting on forums and disagreeing with the king is alien to some. And the leftists want all of that to be alien to Americans.
     
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    Dictators like to control the narrative, that's what this is all about.
     
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    So delusional and funny considering who it is that
    internet over regulation is being formulated under. There are no republicans in the White House, you know.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are NO Bibles,either.In this White House.It was reported the day after
    Obama's Inauguration at his Re-swearing in.In the WH Map room,Justice
    Roberts asked for a Bible before the swearing-in took place.
    Not a bible could be found in the entire White House.
     
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    332 pages of new taxes and fees is my guess
     

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