Secularists deny science

Yea it did. It linked to a report that describes their funding and expenses. But you're not really interested in any of that so....

 

I am still on the same argument. Abortion is wrong. Life is sacred. The left applauds abortion and PPH cause it thins out their slave population. We shouldn't be funding it through tax dollars. And nothing to do with religion what so ever.

 

So your example is an "apple to oranges" type?

So, why is it ok for women to "donate" the baby to be sold?

Nope, I am actually fighting to give babies the same rights as everyone.

 

Yes, look at my wording to the post I was responding to. They only mentioned the woman, so that was all I was addressing. As I have said it before, the man has zero rights to the baby, but to pay the mother for its upbringing ONLY after the mother chooses to give birth. The man cant claim responsibility for the child to prevent the abortion.

 

so you have a law degree? Again, this thread was predicated on people who will take the word of lawyers and philosophers over scientist. You guys keep quoting laws, court rulings, but no scientist. You claim its right for one person, the mother, to unilaterally take the life another living human being for no other reason than convenience. I am not trying to make it illegal for a woman to get an abortion at this time, but my feels is that the baby is alive, it shouldn't be killed cause the mom feels like it. And I definitely don't want to be taxed to provide the medical staff with the funds for killing babies all day long either.

Its an insult to show the truth about PPH and its founder? Sorry....not sorry.

 

No, calm down, Jews , slaves the poor, mentally disabled are all BORN persons with rights....that's a BIG difference....

 

life "begins"?

are you saying sperm and egg are not alive?

of course they are.

 

I dislike jumping in because it seems one has to be vitriolic to argue abortion. Truth in lending: I am "pro life" and anti-abortion. However I think there is a serious question when abortion is the "taking of a human life." I don't think it's the zygote -- human life does not begin at conception. But I also think it begins before survival out of the womb. I'm not knowledgeable enough to be precise but I think human life begins with brain waves of a human nature. These seem to occur when a fetus starts kicking, or what the Jewish people called quickening -- the first convincing sign to them that a woman was truly "with child." I think this falls around 4-1/2 months or maybe between 4 and 5 months or so.
I define pro-life abortion as taking a human fetus.

 

First: women are under NO obligation to use birth control.

Second: no one said the woman was dumbfounded as to why a zygote is there ( there is NO "baby" until birth.)

Third: The pregnant woman ( no woman is a mother until she gives birth)...is not killing a "someone" as in a "person". A fetus is not a person until birth.


Fourth: How do you think a zygote/fetus could make a choice? It can't think or speak..

Fifth: YES EVERYONE makes selfish decisions ...forget what you learned in Kindergarten about being selfish.

If NO human had been selfish there wouldn't be humans...it's called the survival instinct.

 

1. No, the apples to apples. In neither case does a person have the right to use the body of another person against that person's will.

2. Next of kin have legal rights over the disposal of human remains.

3. Babies have the exact same rights as anyone else. They don't have the right to use the body of another person against that person's will.

 

Most abortions take place before that....unless some slimey do-gooders want to create waiting times, shut down accessible clinics and other obstacles for women to overcome in a timely manner.

 

Don't need a law degree to know that abortion is legal

And "convenience " is the ONLY reason for abortion.


There is NO "baby" until birth. Of course the FETUS is alive, that's why the woman wants an abortion.


The Hayes Act prohibits taxes from being used for abortions..... a simple google could've told you that.

 

Apples and oranges there, but I am not talking about taking that choice away from anyone. Its not really a "black/white" issue, I just don't want to fund PPH anymore and I would like to see who all is open to listening to a little bit of science over what people say is "lawful".

That's called a miscarriage, which is a natural abortion, but not the kind I am talking about.

"Free". And no, no tax payer money is being used on the abortion fight, that is all donations.

 

I am in favor of doubling grant funding for PP and making medicaid cover abortion.

 

Oh ya, use the old Anti-Choice site LIEnews...

Planned Parenthood is set up in low income neighborhoods because DUH that's where they're needed !!!

Did you think wealthy women need them, or want them, in their neighborhoods !?!!!


AND UNLESS you can PROVE that minority women were FORCED to have abortions your little , "oooh, they target minorities" falls flat..and looks ridiculous...

Abortion pills are not the same as birth control...

Personally I'm happy IF taxes pay for abortion.....less taxes going to Welfare....

 

Oh no, I only minored in legal studies.

But frankly, I don't care what you think is a baby and what isn't. You don't have a legal leg to stand on.

 

That's great. I hope they make billions

 

Nah, low income minority neighborhoods. There are more poor whites than blacks, but it seems most abortion mills are right next door to minorities.

Ah, yeah, "forced". True, there is no "force", just conspicuous circumstances...like most of the things republicans are accused off.

 

Ya, women and men could just stop having sex, they've been so good at stopping for the last 10,000 years ...and then no abortions necessary...

Misogynism noted. Calling women murderers when they are just humans. Humans make mistakes, even YOU.

Many women on birth control get pregnant but , again, no woman is obligated to use BC , they can just get an abortion.

Please let me know when every human does the smart responsible thing and you have your little Utopia...

BTW, having an abortion when you don't want or can't afford a kid IS the responsible thing to do.

 

You think abortions are no voluntary? That is hilarious.

 

Given the vestiges of uncertainty I see nothing wrong with testing the woman's desire and having her think twice, as long as it is not unreasonably obtrusive.

 

Lets do that for your knee surgery....I think you should think it over

 

I post : Oh ya, use the old Anti-Choice site LIEnews...

Planned Parenthood is set up in low income neighborhoods because DUH that's where they're needed !!!

Did you think wealthy women need them, or want them, in their neighborhoods !?!!!


And THIS is your reply!!!

You had a hard time reading :
Planned Parenthood is set up in low income neighborhoods because DUH that's where they're needed !!!


WHAT couldn't you understand about that sentence????

What is "conspicuous circumstances" ????



AND UNLESS you can PROVE that minority women were FORCED to have abortions your little , "oooh, they target minorities" falls flat..and looks ridiculous...

 

...and you want that imposed on men, too, for their medical procedures, or just little confused, unsure women??