Sen. Ted Cruz, the GOP, and Defeatism

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  1. mikeredd1266

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    I found this article today about Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) talking about the elections back in November and how he won his Senate seat.Also he mentions what he thinks went wrong with the GOP in 2008 and 2012 presidential elections. Sen. Cruz's words "they tried not to lose and painted not with bold colors but pale pastels." Cruz was able to come from behind with a 2% rating to win by 14 points for his seat. That is pretty impressive for any candidate no matter their political party.

    I have to completely agree with this. I think as a conservative that we are not being very bold when we campaign. Look at the democrats making it "fashionable" support a candidate. Using well known artist to create campaign images and having celebrities endorsements. I have to agree with Senator Cruz's comments.

    Later within the same article Senator Cruz mentions since taking office he has noticed a sense of defeatism within the party. I personally don't find this true at all with in the party from what I've noticed.

    I have to agree when campaigning for now on the GOP need to be Bold with their promotional materials and statements. I think that is the only way they will win any seats.

    The article I read was from Rare.us and can be viewed here if you would like to read it for reference to see where I'm getting my information.

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    Cruz pulled off a miracle by winning as a Republican in Texas of all places, a Cinderella story, indeed! Let us not forget that the TP darling had raised only $9,053,215 for his campaingn against his Democratic opponent who had a grand total of $139,197 to spread around.

    He wastes no time scolding the Party leadership, modestly citing himself as the model they must emulate, and haranguing them to obediently follow his lead. Tack extreme right, arrogantly reject all conciliatory gestures, and all those better-educated Blue states will be smitten and readily capitulate to the Cruz radical agenda.

    Let's hope they're listening.

    Willard may have gotten more votes than Rafael in 2012 in Texas, but that doesn't stop the self-infatuated Cruz envisioning himself as the GOP's 2016 Willard.



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  3. Lil Mike

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    The reason the Republicans constantly want to pull to the left is because that's where the media is and more importantly, it's where the pop culture is. For that reason, they are very timid in "going Cruz" because the public doesn't even have the basics to understand their arguments.

    But the Republican Party is in a defeatist mode. They actually have good reason to be.
     
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    Lol...The public knows exactly what right-wingers like Cruz are pushing, and they ain't buying.
    But hey, you keep on spouting the loser Romney's meme that the voters are too stupid to appreciate the values that the right promotes.
     
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    Carnival's lust for national power encounters only one major obstacle: He'd carry the dumb states by a landslide, but there are not enough of them.

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    1. Cruz stole that "bold colors, pale pastels" line from Reagan. He may acknowledge it...but he didn't create it.

    2. PPP polls show that if Cruz were the GOP Nominee in 2016, running against Hillary, he would have a mere TWO POINT lead on her....in Mississippi. Now that's an outlier poll and way early. But if Calgary Ted can turn Mississippi...Red-Red-RED State Mississippi into a "swing state". That bodes disaster for the Republicans in 2016...not just with him, but "down-ticket" candidates running for Congress or governorships.

    3. Cruz scares Donors. Remember, as he was still firing away during the Government Shutdown, even the Koch Borthers were out there denying they supported the Shutdown. As Fran Drescher's character said in "Spinal Tap"...."Money talks and bulls**t walks". Those deep pockets he had for his Senatorial run, he would not have for a Presidntial run. Dimes and nickels from Tea Partyers won't make up the difference.
     
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    More importantly, the media and pop culture is where it is because that's where most Americans want to be. But, please, proceed with trying to convince yourself that Cruz "gets" it and the rest of America doesn't have the basics to understand his arguments.
     
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    I tend to agree more with Romney's assessment of the "47%" than Cruz's assessment. It's not easy trying to rid an addict of their addiction, or persuading the irrational to think rationally, or a cult to think independently. Although I do applaud Cruz's attempt in trying to break through that barrier, albeit a tough barrier to crack IMO.

    That may make me a bit of a defeatist myself, but at least a realistic one; as I do indeed think that much if not most of America does not have the basics to understand the arguments that Cruz presents. And the lefties posting on this forum pretty much confirm it each day.
     
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    How would they know what he thinks? "News" coverage?
     
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    You don't even know what "right-wingers like Cruz are pushing." Because if you say anything other than the Constitution, you're going to be wrong.
     
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    The same wacko birds that were giddy over that Willard landslide in '12 (Blame that ever-convenient scapegoat, "the media!") actually fancy Carnival being elected President by the American people.

    How alienated from America can they get?
     
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    Right now, all you boys need is a bright, young, conservative fella WITH A PLAN to move forward instead of backward, and who isn't always shrieking like he needs a panty shield. At this point, I think Paul Ryan could break through. I underlined "fella" because the conservative brand has been ruined for women BY your women.
     
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    I have to say that I couldn't disagree more.

    No national party or national candidate ever got elected in this country by campaigning for and to the extemes.

    A lot of tea party types think they are the mainstream because conservative media panders to them by promoting that myth, and perhaps because everyone around them agrees with them.

    But all the research says that the tea party, or the far right wing, whatever you call it, is actually a small and diminishing minority.

    Bear in mind that the piece you cite is just such a spin piece. Cruz didn't exactly come from behind, and he outspent his opponant by something like 50 to 1, thanks to hoards of out of state money. That isn't an impressive come from behind victory. That's buying an election.

    Perhaps you would have a point if the far right had real leaders instead of barn burners like Cruz.

    Perhaps you'd have a point if there was a coherent program that made real world sense, rather than a lot of high school notions.

    You can't win an election when you have the support of less than 25% of the population.

    Of course, you can stay in the comfortable bubble created by right wing blogs, Fox and talk radio.

    But Rush Limbaugh's election predictions haven't been right in a decade, and Karl Rove went down in flames a year ago too (and got rich doing it, because he pocketed most of the money Crossroads GPS raised).
     
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    Oh so it's the media's fault and pop culture that's causing the internal GOP war?

    Wow that Kool-aid you're drinking is STRONG.

    No, son, the fact is that the GOP thought that they could rebrand themselves by coopting the Tea Party but now they can't control the Tea Party and it's threatening the GOP establishment.

    That's why the GOP establishment is spending money trying to discredit the Tea Party, but it's not that easy to destroy the Frankenstein monster once you've created it.
     
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    I wasn't responding to, or remarking on, a comment having to do with an "internal GOP war." Now where, in my comment, did you get that idea?
     
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    It's always the fault of "THE MEDIA!"

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    A few savants who immediately come to mind that will assure you that you cannot trust "THE MEDIA!" are Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, Ann Coulter, Michael Reagan, Neal Boortz, Laura Ingraham, Michelle Malkin, G Gordon Liddy, Hugh Hewitt, Dana Loesch, Kevin Jackson, Dennis Prager, Monica Crowley, Brit Hume, Sarah Palin, Byron York, Elizabeth Hasslebeck, Charles Krauthammer, Mike Huckabee, Michael Medved, David Frum, Joe Scarborough, Peggy Noonan, David Brooks, George Will, Kathleen Parker, and Paul Gigot.


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    Everyone knows that "LIBERALS!" have a stranglehold on "THE MEDIA!"


    The truth you seek is to be found elsewhere.

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    I don't understand what you're saying?

    Every conservative idea which has been implemented over the past 33 years since the Reagan revolution has been a disaster for the American middle class, and the Democratic Party is now the center-right party and the Republican party is the far right party even Boehner admitted that yesterday when he blasted the conservatives in his own party.
     
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    The task of Establishment Republicans like John Boehner, and in fact every Republican in a leadership position going back to before Eisenhower, has been to give the appearance of "fighting the good fight", but in the end bow down to the "progress" made by the leftists.

    When they do stumble their way into the Oval Office, their task is to "normalize" all of the leftist gains made during the years in which radical leftists controlled the office.

    Eisenhower and Reagan were both examples of the Establishment getting out in front of 'push back'. In each of those instances, in '52 and again in '80, the country was in no mood to further tolerate leftist nonsense, so to ensure that those "gains" remained on the books, the Establishment puts one of their own out in front of it, has that puppet preach freedom and low taxes, and blah, blah, blah to the conservative faithful, and thereby neutralizes them. In the end, all of the leftist gains made under the previous Democratic administrations remain on the books and are "normalized" into our culture.

    In this way, the Establishment has been able to make steady progress toward destroying our previous culture, overtaking our institutions, and neutering our Constitution to the point where it is a meaningless piece of paper.

    They are now in the final phases of destroying our country as we had known it. They are intentionally running up the debt, trapping most of the citizenry into a condition of dependency, empowering the government to act as Big Brother thru the Patriot Act, and other rights stripping legislation, etc.

    We are within 15 years of collapse. By the time Barry leaves off, if he leaves office, we will be in debt to the tune of $175 trillion (debt and unfunded promises) - there is simply no recovering from that. Eventually the whole thing will be deliberately collapsed, and after a sufficient period of suffering for the Amerikan people, the Establishment will come to our rescue with their "solutions".

    The writing is on the wall - it is amazing that more people can't read it.

    http://www.usdebtclock.org/current-rates.html
     
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    CRUZ-COULTER IN 2016!
     
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    I'd choose the Birther Queen over Ms Coulter.

    Matching Orly "Sbiten on my kugel" Taitz up with the similarly foreign-born Carnival "More jalapeños in my poutine!" Cruz would sport an exotic flair whilst capturing the nativists.

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    Be great....Cruz could deny he's Canadian and Coulter could claim she's still a virgin.
     
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    BTW, I am sooooooo glad that Ted Cruz is the "hero" of the Tea Partyers going into 2016.

    Imagine how bad it would be if somebody SMART and SAVVY and with the ability to hide the demogoguery and radical ideology of a Cruz, had a shot at the GOP Presidential Nomination...and perhaps the White House.

    Naturally I want Cruz to be the '16 Nominee...I figure even Joe Biden's dog could win 40+ states against him. But my optimism is tempered...with Boehner and the "GOP Establishment" now fighting back against the Tea Party, and just the general rule that the GOP doesn't allow nutjobs to get the Nomination (just "cowboys" like Reagan and Dubya).....it's not very likely that Cruz will get it.

    And it WILL be fun watching the "I'll never vote for a RINO again" Far Right....having to "vote for a RINO again"....as they did in 2008 and 2012.....and show they are as impotent as the guy in the TV ad BEFORE he gets his Cialis.
     
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    Or maybe they understand more than you think, and they just don't want what he's selling.
     
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