Senate Democrats to Introduce A Socialist 'Public Option'

That's quite beside the point I was making.

But if your provider stops taking Medicare, I guess technically there's no real comparison.

 

Then you have the option to unenroll and purchase through the ACA.

 

Not really a "thing" at all. But whatever. You're still forced to pay for it all your working life.

Assuming it covers anything like my current plan covered, maybe. But that's doubtful. Or if they operate in your state. Or if they're actually cheaper, since they raised their rates, too.

Democrats screwed the pooch on Obamacare. Most of the promises of ACA were lies or never came to fruition.

 

We're forced to pay income taxes our entire lives. Does it mean it's a bad thing?

 

I didn't say it was. Thanks.

 

So your point is that we are forced to pay for medicare?

 

We are. Duh.

 

Anyone who gets paystubs knows that.

But no, you are not being forced to use medicare. Are you currently on medicare?

 

Why would you not take advantage of something you spent your whole life paying for? Ridiculous.

 

So you want a refund for a service you are currently using?

Are you upset that you don't have the option of forgoing medicare and instead paying for a more costly insurance?

Are you upset with the services you receive from medicare?

Are you upset it was forcibly taken from your paycheck without realizing that's the only way medicare would survive in the first place?

 

Why are you just making stuff up?

Making stuff up again. Did you even follow the thread?

Making stuff up again.

Making stuff up. Again.

 

I'm sorry but what exactly are you unhappy with? You keep just rambling about how you are forced to pay for medicare and I explained it's the only way it would survive. I explain to you the alternative to medicare collapsing is seniors paying a higher premium while losing their retirement and you keep responding that you are forced to pay for medicare.

 

Follow the thread.

 

Seems life in general

 

I have. The contention is that you are being forced to use medicare, which is false.

 

A meaningless point. Again, who would not use something that they spent their whole life funding?

And we can end there. The "contention" is a distinction without a difference. Like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Do you pay more in taxes than you owe because you think the government programs are underfunded?

 

I tried getting it through to him but he’s just not grasping it.

 

Again, someone who chose not to.

 

Using it because you have paid for it does not equal being forced to use it. Using it is being smart, but that it is not the same as your being forced to use it. Are the police or IRS going to come to your door if you don't use it?

It's like telling someone you're taking a bridge to work today because the government made you pay for it.

 

You think Medicare is an option? Once I hit 65 and then retire I am automatically enrolled in Medicare. You if you don't you pay penalties and of course on your taxes you have to prove either you are covered by an employer plan or Medicare. How am I supposed to pay for my healthcare when the government took those healthcare dollars to fund my future Medicare?

 

So no law. Thank you

 

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Can I decline Medicare altogether?
Medicare isn’t exactly mandatory, but it can be complicated to decline. Late enrollment comes with penalties, and some parts of the program are optional to add, like Medicare parts C and D. Medicare parts A and B are the foundation of Medicare, though, and to decline these comes with consequences.

The Social Security Administration oversees the Medicare program, and recommends signing up for Medicare when you are initially eligible, even if you don’t plan to retire or use your benefits right away. The exception is when you are still participating in an employer-based health plan, in which case you can sign up for Medicare late, usually without penalty.

While you can decline Medicare altogether, Part A at the very least is premium-free for most people, and won’t cost you anything if you elect not to use it. Declining your Medicare Part A and Part B benefits completely is possible, but you are required to withdraw from all of your monthly benefits to do so. This means you can no longer receive Social Security or RRB benefits, and must repay anything you have already received when you withdraw from the program.

What happens if you don’t sign up for Medicare?
The penalties for choosing not to enroll in Medicare, or enrolling late, can be just as confusing as figuring out which parts of the program are mandatory. The penalties for not enrolling when you are first eligible for Medicare, again, depend on the program."

Yes I was forced by law onto Medicare else face all the penalties that come and since they had already taken my money which I would have used to fund my heathcare after my retirement that also forced on since I would have no money to purchase private insurance now. You ready to give me back all that money with let's say 5% interest and then allow me off Medicare?

Now did you have a point in here somewhere or just being argumentitive?

 

The penalties are only for delaying getting on Medicare. So you can decline Medicare.

 

You think private insurance is going to be kind to anyone who is over 65? Seniors are going to pay a higher premium, and how exactly are they going to pay for it considering they have little to no income and rely on social security?

 

He certainly are totally missing formed. Socialism is simply fair capitalism. Accepting its dictatorship pure form of communism which no one is for except with a gun to their head. Obamacare could have been universal without GOP obstruction and sabotage. It is a first step, a framework to add on to forever. Like Joe is doing now. Making it cheaper. But we need better competition and transparency to bring down costs.