Senate GOP Obamacare replacement would lead to 22 million more uninsured in 2026, CBO estimates

I don't either, but I didn't think we did that in this country.

 

So you didn't even get past the first comma. Reveals a lot about you.

 

There's a word for that.

It's called "choice".

 

So now people can choose to wait until they are sick to buy insurance. Try wrecking your car and then buying insurance and expecting them to pay for repairs lol

 

No.

Six month minimum, which is fair.

 

Just think how much money we'd save if we let all 22 million die. Saving money is good. The single payer advocates said so

 

Not currently. And how's that fair? Someone healthy has to wait 6 months because they chose to go without coverage? Their choice remember? And the sick guy waits 6 months and pays the same?

 

Yes.

They chose not to have care.

When they choose to have care, they have to wait 6 months since they didn't choose care earlier.

Notice how much choose is used in this context.

Look at the bright side, you can stop taking those birth control pills now.

 

They aren't choosing to wait an extra 6 months, that is a govt mandate. The insurance industry didn't choose to not insure them, and they didn't choose to charge someone with cancer the same as the healthy guy...another mandate lol

 

Of course they're choosing.

They are presented with a choice: a) buy health care now and it goes into effect immediately b) don't buy health care now. If you choose option b, there is a 6 month wait if you choose to enroll at a later date

 

You must really be naive if you think ANY system does not have a degree of fraud already in it. However, fraud was even more rampant within Medicare prior to 2010, and interestingly enough, you know which state had the most Medicare fraud? Florida. And why would that be? Because by the 2000's, many of the major players in So Florida's drug trade from the 80's finally finished their sentences and were let out. So how do these guys get back into the game of fast cash? Medicare fraud became their new money laundering scam. The reforms the ACA brought to CMS in 2010 focused heavily on this type of fraud and has drastically sought out and prosecuted many of these scams.

So your tact of trying to shift here is a big fail.

Where is your concern for the fraud of the pharmaceutical industry or hospital's charge master lists?

 

How's that any different than choosing not to buy insurance under Obamacare and paying a small fee?

 

Obamacare is a tax. Taxes aren't optional.

 

Yes it is, you can get insurance and not pay. Being forbidden from buying something is not optional. Why should the govt come between me and my insurance company? Why are republicans dictating terms to private companies?

 

Now I know you're losing it, you're arguing that the government shouldn't interfere in the private sector.

Are you turning Republican?

Great. Let's get a bill where the government doesn't put any regulations on health care.

I'm sure dems will vote for that.

 

No apparently republicans are now in favor of mandates and the Feds taking over 1/3 of the us economy.
What happened to full repeal? The sent it to obama, why not trump?

 

We're just trying to do our best to provide a bone for our resident socialists, that's all.

Since democrats are demanding pre-existing coverage inclusion, they're just trying to be bi-partizan.

 

At least we agree a vote for this bill is a vote for socialism. Was the GOP lying about their principles just to get power?

 

No they just don't want all their little heads to explode by not accommodating their socialist tendencies.

They're just doing their best to compromise with all the little socialists out there.

 

Lol worked good, zero support from the dems

 

Well of course.

They could copy Obamacare verbatim, put the same bill up for a vote to Democrats, and none would vote for it.

Democrats are obstructionists, after all.

 

Lol comical you are now advocating for Obamacare light, which no republicans voted for...and blaming the dems for obstruction

 

Well clearly the difference is the Republicans knew it would fail, which is why they didn't vote for it.

 

You must be really uninformed..........

Medicare and Medicaid fraud dwarfs private industry fraud per person in the system. Medicare insures approx 43 million and generates $60 to $90 billion in fraud.

That's 43 million (Medicare) vs 213 million (Private Insurance)

213 million private insured with $70 billion in fraud. 43 million Public insured with $60 Billion in fraud (I used the lowest estimate).

Private insurance fraud has approx $330 in fraud per insured.

Medicare Government run insurance approx $1430 in fraud per insured.

Fraud in the public sector insurance is over 4 time that in the private sector, yet our Government thinks it can administer health insurance better, that would include the fraud too. The ACA regulates private insurance companies to spend 80% - 85% of their collected premiums on insurees and limits administrative costs like the ones used to combat fraud 4 time more effectively than Medicare.

 

You're mixing apple and oranges. Medicare enrollees are not under private insurance (except through employer plans, not individual, and those count for an extremely small percentage of the total Medicare eligible market. Secondly, no one insurer of Medicare Advantage plans has more than at most 2 million subscribers. The majority of Medicare eligibles are enrolled in traditional Medicare, 69%, with 31% enrolling in Medicare Advantage Plans.

Can you provide a link to back this up? Because your link (https://www.bcbs.com/healthcare-fraud) does not have any of that info.

I'll give you an A for effort on creative word salads, but what you're trying to argue is not supported by the flimsy evidence you're quoting.

Even this link you provided, http://www.cbsnews.com/news/4-billion-of-medicare-fraud-recovered-in-2010/, which is from 2010, shows that there is improvement in the fraud arena by CMS, but you trying to compare it to the under 65 indidual market is a bogus argument. No one individual carrier can ever match the amount of enrollees that the government handles under Medicare.