SHOCKING Homelessness

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    But not altogether different from Progressives (another fundamentalist religion), who claim to desperately want to help the homeless, but aren't opening their own homes to them.
     
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    A 'fight back' from the homeless, would be them doing whatever it takes to stop being homeless.
     
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    It happened in Malaysia, when the Hokkien peoples (from China) migrated there en masse over the last several centuries. The indigenous became third class citizens.
     
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    Correct.
     
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    Carl Von Clausewitz Well-Known Member

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    Not quite.
     
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    Yes. It's the ONLY 'fight back'. Anything else is just apathy enabling, and has nothing to do with fighting.
     
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    You've clearly never experienced the joys of being homeless.

    It's another thing to speak about never having experienced something yourself first-hand.
     
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    We did not have any such problem until Reaganomics came along.
     
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    Ahhh ... how does living in a cardboard box render one a psychiatrist? Which part of that life provides all the know-how? The ******** in the street part? The ice? The cheap booze? The laziness? Which?
     
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    Who rendered you the psychiatrist or behavioral psycho analyst?

    I could care less what individuals like you think, you're all totally unprepared for what is coming. We will see what real separating of the wheat from the chaff looks like when total lawlessness arrives. Have your fun for now, it won't last long........
     
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    Pray tell what exactly is being referred to on the part of yourself?
     
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    Are you ... like, okay? This is a slightly hysterical post, so best to check.

    If you are okay, and you feel you've made sense ... can you perhaps - just for me - word it less emotively and explain it in a more pedestrian fashion?
     
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    If you can't figure out my post that's your problem not mine.
     
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    None of us can.
     
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    :juggle:
     
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    It is the problem of yourself if the method of delivery renders the point incomprehensible. What is the point of partaking in a discussion if a particular point cannot be conveyed coherently to those it is directed at?
     
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    Okay okay... so these people got fired or lost their jobs. Sorry to hear about that. But what sorts of jobs did they have before they got fired? Why are they not keeping up with appearances if they had only recently gotten fired or let go? Have they 'given' up on their pursuit to get back to main stream? So the total number of tents shown in this thread is at about 100 or less. That might mean about 100 persons or less. Okay.. Where were they living before they ended up on the streets and why did they have to let go of their apartments or homes? No monies. Okay.. So what sorts of jobs did they have when they were able to be indoors to be able to pay for rent or monthly home payments? Because if them losing their jobs is really the reason for them being homeless, then they definitely should be helped in some way or another. If they never did have a job and became homeless, where were they living before this and why did they leave that place to be homeless? What were the circumstances that led to their homelessness?


    Rent became too expensive? Then what happened to the monies they were paying rent with? If they stopped paying rent, what happened to those monthly rent amounts? Subsidy assistances? What was the total amount being received monthly for them to receive subsidies? Where are those monthly amounts? If they were receiving Disability or another, once they no longer needed to pay for rent, that also would mean that the electricity bill, t.v. bill, and any other 'home' bills, would have been freed up giving them their full monthly disability amount to have on a monthly basis. Where are all those monthly amounts and how are those monthly amounts being utilized without having any bills to pay for?

    Some are just young adult able bodied males hanging out with no home? Can they speak and write English? Are they high school drop outs? What is their highest education level?

    There are Compulsory Education Laws in each State making not attending school during school days and hours, illegal and punishable by law.


    The police taking the youths in if they were not in school during school hours/days allows for them to have them, their parents or any other department aware of what might be occurring in the child's life that he or she is not attending school.


    During times like this, i think about those who have lived their lives for Right and who have done right. Some may even have been very respectable persons in Church and things relating to the 'right' in the United States. And i wonder how things such as these are as payments to their life of living right. If this is occurring in Olympia, how and why are the 'right doing' residents of Olympia being given these things to have to deal with? What did they deserve? Or are these people asking for their help but afraid to ask? And if the right doing residents in Olympia, who might be Christians, were to share the Gospel of Christ (J)esus to them, how might they be rewarded for sharing the 'pearls' which The Lord spoke about?

    it is frightening to see how God, The Father and (J)esus Christ is able to repay Their saints with more to be dealt with rather than the easy yoke and light burden.

    Matthew 11:30 "For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."


    Matthew 11:29-30 "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."


    If I had the opportunity to ask Him one thing, I might ask Him, 'What would you have me call you'? And He might respond 'What would you have Me to call you'? And I might respond, 'By my name, of course'.

    In other words, if I grew up with the name Bob for the majority of my life in the U.S but moved to some other part of the World in my later years, would I be okay with receiving a 'different' name while living there?

    Of course what He did is the same regardless of what 'name' may have been used. The acts occurred, the words/speeches were given regardless of the proper name of the one who spoke/did those things. And so those things and promises and words/speeches are not too easily mistranslated. But as far as His Name is concerned, what should I say His Name is?


    Matthew 11:29-30 "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."


    Whom should I say said this?


    Let us say that I was visited by a stranger who asked of this saying. He asks me, 'Whom said this'? i would reply '(J)esus Christ of Nazareth in Israel'. He might look to me and look puzzled and ask, 'Was he a foreigner to Israel'? I would respond that He was the root and offshoot of King David of the Tribe of Judah, one of the sons of Jacob. Then this stranger might ask me again, 'and whom did you say said this'? And again I would say, '(J)esus Christ of Nazareth'. This time, though, he might look to me and ask, 'If this person, (J)esus Christ of Nazareth was not foreign to Israel, how is it that he has a foreign name to Israel'?


    i don't enjoy getting 'hooked' on wrong things as in a J, hook, line, and sinker.


    Matthew 4:19 "And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men."


    Fishing now days often times employs hooks, J. Back then, nets were mostly used. Y
     
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  18. kazenatsu

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    Well, it tends to be a bit different in different areas. In this area, people can have a hard time finding affordable housing even if they are working. The population has been going up over the last several years and that has created housing shortages. Of course they've been constructing new high rises, but those are more expensive of course. And now that the real estate market has recovered from the housing crash, there are fewer cheap rental properties available. Before there had been a bunch of people trying to flip houses for quick easy money and when the crash came they became hard to sell, so they put these homes out for rent. That was probably a major reason homelessness didn't increase more than it did during the recession. There were a bunch of house owners desperately short on money who needed to rent. (That included many people renting a room out of their own house)

    Another issue is that people who've been out of a job for a while can have trouble getting hired. Most employers (and this is particularly true of corporate employers) will be reluctant to hire if the applicant does not have recent job experience. They will see a recent gap in having a job as a bad thing. Were they fired from a job and couldn't put that down in their resume? Maybe they're the type of person nobody else wants to hire? Maybe there's an increased likelihood that they were arrested for something, or could have medical issues? The employer would prefer to try to avoid that risk.
     
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    Losing a job is never the reason for homelessness. Failing to recognise your economic limitations and attempting to live in a very expensive city, independently, is what causes it. A poor person who understands that they are not in a position to rent privately in a very expensive city, remains with family until they can establish themselves - no matter how long that takes. Job loss will then have little effect on them. And if you are a foster kid, or have a terrible family, you either a) make sure you have seek and maintain a network of reliable and stable friends who will pick you up if you fall down, or b) move to a much cheaper city. ALL of these are options that the homeless haven't taken. It has nothing to do with jobs.
     
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    With the above problems only growing worse by the day as more and more illegal aliens sneak across the border into the united states. Short of a widespread plague wiping out a significant percentage of the population, especially in the tightly packed urban areas, the problem is not going to get any better.
     
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    affordable housing for the abled aged renters. I think 18 and over is what is required to be able to rent.

    The population is going up, but where do these people live until they become homeless? They weren't born and raised in a barn, were they?

    Home owners seeking to keep their monies balanced so they rent because they couldn't sell. But since the 'crash' is over, they are able to sell and so put the renters out. Makes sense. Maybe many of these homeless belong in this category?

    So true.
     
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    So how are these homeless living within their failed recognition to economic limitations of cost of living in this city? Or did they just recently 'move' in?

    If they are from this city, they would have been born, went to school, had family, went to high school, partied with others, socialized with others, etc... until they became 'homeless', right? Are any of these homeless persons recognized by any other city resident? Maybe by someone they were classmates with or even partied with? Maybe even worked with? Why does noone seem to recognize any of these persons even though they might have been in the same public circles as everyone else before they became homeless?

    Unless Olympia is a large city, I'm sure the highschool members of their graduating class should be able to recognize them, right?

    I mean, why are these persons unrecognizable in a small city which shares the same public venues and places of Establishments? Unless, like I said, these are newly move ins to the city. A basic reference check to their past history, work and places lived can clarify where and what they did in their past and if they are even 'local' residents.

    If one of the addresses they lived at was in Virginia, chances are they are not local residents. Unless they were doing something in Virginia as in school or other family.

    I'm sure they must have some work history somewhere and past addresses.


    Oh, another thing to be cautious about. Counterfeit/fake monies. Some have become millionaires with fake monies. Deposited and balanced out. Fake monies. Even they themselves do not know that the 'cash' they are using and thankful for is fake. And if they do not know that the cash is 'fake', to them, they are blessed.

    Imagine if I wanted a group of followers to think of myself as a certain kind of person. I offer them monies in some way and ask them to 'test' to see if I would not do it. They say okay, they would like 500,000 dollars. Well, i see this as an opportunity to get another person into my 'cult'. So with the fake cash I make or have others make for myself, I send them the 500,000 dollars. They are shocked. They didn't even give me their address but they received their request for 500,000 dollars. how did he do that, they ask. But I know that the paper monies is fake. But they don't know it's fake.


    How is getting an address which requested a certain thing without any verbal or written confirmation even a possibility with monies being sent which could have myself be 'exalted' to a position within their lifes?

    It really wouldn't be. But nonetheless. Many can use fake monies to bring unknowing persons into that 'cult' without them finding what they are doing 'wrong' or illegal. After all, they do not know that the monies is fake.
     
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    Maybe they could no longer afford their apartment. Maybe the roommate they were living with bailed on them, and then they couldn't pay the rent.
    Maybe in some cases they were renting a room in someone else's house and then couldn't find another person to rent them a room at the same price.
    I know there's a lot of people in apartments living on the edge, that aren't really all that far away from homelessness.

    When people are living paycheck to paycheck, a sudden job loss can throw everything into disarray.
    Not uncommonly, when people get arrested that can end up being the cause for their homelessness. (large percent of those released from prison end up homeless)
     
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    Exactly. If they're local, then they will have an extensive network of friends and family. So why aren't those friends and family helping out?

    And if they're NOT local, why in hell did they move to the most expensive place in America?
     
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    None of which would be a problem if you a) remain with family if you're poor, or b) don't move to California.
     

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