Shocking satellite image shows Alaska’s formerly frozen Yukon Delta is completely green

No one has ever said and/or indicated they want to 'cripple the US'...NEVER! And the US going forward is not going to do this. But there must be public dialogue and an awareness of the potential downside risks. We can do better and we must do better and it can be done without 'crippling' anything...

 

If you don't understand the horrific potential of climate change, and if you don't understand humans can be better stewards of Earth, then you should not be on this forum...

 

Well, I am here. Carbon footprint and all.
What did you do for your carbon foot print today?

California energy prices boosted up by a renewal energy mandate are a major driver of companies leaving California.

 

I live in CA so all of us are involved in improving our carbon footprint.

Renewal energy mandate, in my area it's 30% renewables, has lowered the cost of electricity...

 

38 states have renewable mandates...

 

The public utilities commission raises the price of electricity to make renewables competitive. False economics like this are what the Green initiative feed on. As a consumer, I am paying for the green infrastructure, plus exploitive pricing, plus numerous “environmental disposal fees” for disposal the for not exist.

The entire green movement is built on guilting emotional halfwits telling them “You can change the atmosphere of the Earth.”.

 

And I'm sure that every time, just as will happen here, you were incapable of understanding the very simple answers.

Somewhere's around 405 ppm.

Higher. Why do you think that's relevant?

A little lower than it is now, being that the world has been getting less green lately. Oh, did your cult not mention that to you?

Way, way below what it is now, making that also an irrelevant question.

Your turn now. What was the point of those questions? Try to act like a liberal now, which means to state your point clearly and directly, instead of playing sleazy question games. According to my experience, you won't be able to, because your type is helpless if you have to go off-script.

Thank you for so conclusively proving one of my ongoing points. Denialism is 100% political. If right-wing politics vanished, denialism would instantly vanish as well. In stark contrast, climate sicence is non-poltiical. It crosses all political bounderies all around the world. If left-wing politics vanished, the science wouldn't change a bit.

 

So you are smarter than the vast majority of the world's climate scientists.

And what do you do for a living?

 

The point:

ALL Carbon on this planet that is released into the atmosphere by burning fossil fuels was once in the atmosphere to begin with and yet life thrived.

At one point CO2 was over 4000 ppm and yet life thrived.

CO2 is a trace gas and the global warming cult does not have a clue how much they can lower CO2 levels by Carbon capture schemes without impacting plant life. You actually think lowering CO2 levels will improve plant life. This is not science. Why do you think people use CO2 generators in grow tents?

A couple of more questions for you:

1. Do you live in a 400 square foot tiny home or apartment?

2. Do you drive a tiny electric car?

3. What personal steps do you take to have a low Carbon footprint?

4. What do you think about politicians and elite with a high Carbon footprint, e.g., those flying Carbon spewing jets to climate change conferences and celebrity birthday parties?

 

Please provide proof of this allegation...

 

And it is a process that has been going on for tens of thousands of years. Otherwise we would still have no San Francisco Bay, and you could walk from Paris to London.

Why people act like the planet is not always changing, I have no idea.

 

https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/

 

If it is turning green, then it can only be that it was green before it froze. So maybe parts of the earth have been longing to turn green again. And rather than a loss, it is a gain of viable earth for the return of humans and creatures who were driven out long ago by the ice.

 

Try again to provide link that says "The public utilities commission raises the price of electricity to make renewables competitive."

 

That's no different than suggesting you should commit suicide, because you ARE going to die, regardless.

Only YOU suggest that for the entire human race - the only know intelligent species in the universe!!

 

First of all, it is a sign that EARTH is warming - not just the tundra regions.

Next, the fact that it is no longer frozen means that it doesn't reflect the sun like it once did - which means that Earth will be collecting MORE heat from the sun, and thus be getting warmer.

Next, as the permafrost melts it will decay - which emits methane, a greenhouse gas that is FAR worse than CO2. Thus Earth's warming will speed because of that, too.

Next, are you suggesting Canada will be open to an influx of immigrants coming from regions that are becoming less capable of feeding their people? How many million Bangladeshis will Canada invite?

 

Climate science dialogue requires people to gain an understanding, to contemplate it's potential, and to participate all focused on what's in the best short and long term interest of the nation and world. This is a gigantic challenge to most people...

 

Not only is this absolutely true, I think this is a serious challenge for those who are as well read on this subject as any non-scientist could possibly be.

 

Science says the earth has cooled and warmed a number of times. Why can't we now be on the back side of the last ice age, with the warming trend in tow. Look at the warming as a charging grizzly. You may shoot it and make it angrier and charge faster. But it is coming nonetheless. And it will be followed at some point by another ice age. I recall in the past not knowing a hurricane was coming. We reacted when it was upon us. Now we watch them form off Africa and begin making preparations, rushing to do this that and the next thing, fretting, boarding up and so on. Then the next one forms, and the next and the next. So we remain in a state of constant fear and preparation, unable to relax, hoarding, preparing for every scenario. But where and when does one begin to live and breathe when science is always spewing a hurricane of data at us. Could it be that we know too much and are ill equipped to deal with it?

 

Yes, and if you dig further under the formerly frozen tundra, you will find Mastadons', dinosaurs' remains that thrived there when it was tropical! Did you know that? The middle of America used to be ocean and there are many remains of dinosaurs that lived in much warmer climes. It even happened during the Medieval area in Europe, it go very warm and humid for years and years. Check it out, You will learn something......from history.

 

People need to be well-read but also be able to contemplate the potential and participate focused on the best interest of the nation and world. Most people cannot fathom what's in the best interest of the nation because they are self-serving and arrogant and righteous. What we need is people with open minds to accept all information and be able to digest it with a focus away from themselves...Good luck on this!

 

Or...people can just stick their heads in the sand and pretend everything will be fine...

 

Or run around like headless chickens. Sometimes it pays to get ones own house in order.
Were there never an industrial revolution, the earth would warm up anyway. It's what the earth does after every ice age. Perhaps we can adjust our behavior to not speed up the process. But unfortunately it is coming anyway because that's what it does. Should we stick our heads in the sand on that point

 

Do you actually believe 7+ billion humans and all the development and pollution, etc. polluting Earth's closed eco system is not going to have adverse effects? Well, these adverse effects are measurable today! And every minute we continue to develop Earth, to add more humans, to add more industry, these adverse effects will worsen. Not you, or anyone, knows where the tipping point might be when atmospheric and ocean conditions begin wide-scale failure. When this does happen it will be too late to mitigate. But science knows it's happening and science knows the potential impacts to Earth and it's inhabitants. So do we try to do better or just pretend it doesn't exist?

Headless chickens?? This is what you feel about science and the information they have provided to you and mankind?

 

That's a pretty impressive leap of vitriol you got goin on there, son.