I think of pro-lifers as middle-aged women with children. Some are right wingers, some are left wingers (the most rabid pro-lifers I've met have been anti-war/anti-capital punishment/anti-abortion activists). They don't look at it as punishing women, but as saving children.
You know a different type of pro-lifer than I know. The Catholic pro-lifers I know are only thinking about the babies.
Meh. I am far to the left, but I can see both sides of the argument. One one hand you have people who want to prevent "children" from being killed, to a certain extent I agree. I believe the later on in a pregnancy the being is aborted, the worse the act is. Then I can also see the argument in favor of personal freedoms. There are instances where abortion is absolutely necessary,y other cases where they are not. Demonstrating a need certainly is not out of the question. There should be a balance drawn, and not fall one way or the other.
Don't you feel even the least bit guilty for willingly repeating that vile lie? If you don't, you should. If you're not lying, please list Sanger's quote where she states her desire to "eliminate the blacks". If you can't, you should be decent enough to apologize for your vile slur. Catholics despised Sanger because she had the crazy idea that women should be allowed to control their own sex lives. That enraged Catholics in Sanger's day, and it still enrages them now. If you see a Sanger-hater, it's almost guaranteed you're looking at a sad little control freak.
We don't hate Republicans. We hate the lying. You and almost all pro-lifers are shameless liars, and we hate the lying that you do. No one thinks abortion is murder. People who say that are liars. If you disagree, please explain why this mass murder of millions is going on, and you do ... nothing. Me, if I thought children were being dismembered on assembly lines, I wouldn't just be whining about it on a message board. That means most pro-lifers either have to be extreme cowards or extreme liars, with "liar" being the obvious winner there. And why do they lie? To justify their control freak punishment agenda. Get 'em to talk enough, and they'll almost always let it slip out. And you know how I get 'em really mad? I tell them the truth. A women's body does not belong to them, their church or their state, and they'll just have to learn to deal.
There are a lot of people who truly believe it is murder. So I do not believe you are very good at reading peoples minds.
You occasionally get somebody lose control and kill an abortion doctor. However most people don't think murder is the answer to even that, neither from a practical or religious standpoint. Others do actually consider themselves cowards for only being willing to protest instead of murdering some abortion doctors. I don't know your other political positions, though I suppose I could look them up here. But I have a hunch you might be the sort that thought a lot of the US military bombings in recent years constituted murder, and I doubt you rushed a military base with a knife. There is plenty of slaughter and child trafficing in the world, I also doubt you've gone rambo in the third world about it. In any case their response isn't consistent with some sort of punishment thing, in that they focus vastly more on that issue than other similar ones, and what do they even stand to gain from it anyway?
Well they're obviously crazy enough to believe that an obvious charlatan from thousands of years ago was actually a magical creature sent from God, so I can't take them seriously on this issue either.
Are you completely serious, DeathStar? I am neither Reppublican, a "woman-hater", nor racist yet I am against abortion being that it is unjustifiably terminating another life. The illogic that you have displayed in your posting does not make any sense to me. That is like saying because I an against using narcotics, that I am againnst people's freedom. It does not make any logical sense to me.
I've seen a number of them on this forum that appear to be as you suggest. That give themselves away with the derogatory, crude language they use towards women. But they're not all like that. I wouldn't be surprised that there may be a few defensive ones, who were implicated in abortion decisions at some time prior, and are now trying to compensate / redeem themselves for that. A bit like some born-again Christians, maybe. Those ones who possibly lived off the rails, 'debauchery', and what-not, until they saw the (blessed) light. I'd still love to see how those men would react / respond to being pregnant. Particularly the ones that rail against women that have abortions. They're the ones I'd like God to make pregnant. That I'd really like to see. Let them see how they cope. How they struggle with it. (Please God)
Who said anything about violence? That's your assumption. Here's a thought. All pro-lifers could go on strike until abortion is ended. Show your solidarity! It's genocide, right? Doesn't it demand some drastic action? And you'd be completely wrong. Again, this need for violence exists only in your mind. I neither stated or implied that violence was the correct response. What do people stand to gain from opposing gay marriage? Religious mania is a powerful force.
Even if it's "religious mania" the verse in play for abortin is "do not commit murder," which isn't a concept exclusive to Christianity. I suppose you haven't fleshed out your positions in general. If you think it's OK to murder people when it's convenient, or OK for parents to commit honor killings should their kids disapoint them at some point, than I'd have to take a different tack here. Now, I'm not trying to change your position on this. But if you think it's murder if a mother kills her healthy baby after it's born, I'd think you'd at least be able to understand the position of people that also thinks it's murder if she did the same thing a minute earlier when it was still in her womb. I suspect you and DeathStar just need a nice strawman to rail against so you can hate your opponents and feel good about it, and feel entirely comfortable in your position as opposed to even addressing the other sides position. I guess I'm sticking in this thread because this practice, common to pretty much all political orientations to be sure, really annoys me. I'm actually on the fence with the abortion thing.
Your racism and intolerance toward other people's belives are disgusting. If you don't belive in Christ it's your right. But you have NO RIGHT to insult those that belive in Him. People like you are those that start all the conflicts in the world.
I'm pro life but I don't hate women or the pro choice crowd. We have a difference of opinions and I realize that they see things differently then what I do.
I simply don't understand how you could possibly want to tyrannically force people to not have abortions, without being influenced by either a crazy religion (Christianity, Islam etc.), or simply being a bigot who hates women.
Religion isn't a factor for me. In fact I renounced mine a while back. My reason for being against abortion are things that I actually studied and looked up. I also wouldn't be so quick to label someone just because you don't understand their point of view.
Um...... it is not that difficult. I am an agnostic atheist, love women (especially the intelligent ones who can think for themselves) and I am a moderate on the issue of abortion. There are quite a few instance where abortion should and shouldn't be allowed in my mind. So..... there goes the hypothesis.
Why is that? If someone wants to have an abortion, they should not be having kids in the first place. They obviously either aren't psychologically prepared or aren't fit to be a parent, and/or there's something wrong with the child, and/or they were raped. I see no possible other reason as to why they'd want to have an abortion.
So much hate against humanity ( , well it's understandble. Sometimes people do horible things. But don't worry in this desert of hatred and perversity there are still pure grains.
In response to your comment, life DOES begin at conception being that the instant that sperm couples with ovum the clot begins to grow and expand. This indicates L-I-F-E no matter how you attempt to deny it. Life does in fact begin with conception. This is not opinion, this is actual scientific fact. As any biology proffessor or professional and they will agree. As them if growth indicated life. If you was to go with the cancer argument, the reason that cancer cells grow has to do with the body attempting to overtake the dead or dying cells, so that argument is fallacious. The reason the cells are "cancerous" is because something has caused the natural process to go awry, be it environmental or genetic.
You believe in a largely false stereotype. Only ignorant people hate others because of their race; political affiliation irrelevant.
No...I would say they are people who made a choice for themselves, instead of waiting for the government to tell them what to do. They obviously aren't lemmings.
