Singularity: The Age of Abundance

OK that was pretty funny!

You did exactly as I described in my previous post! Talking points, rinse, repeat.

 

You use this baseless belief to justify that there is something more to human consciousness than neurons arranged in brain cells. A soul if you will. You believe that because humans have this extra tid bit, the consciousness is impossible to transmit and or replicate.

While you may think this, science does not. And your baseless belief will stay as that. But what's interesting is that you use this baseless belief to argue science.

Unlike you, my supporting arguments have a scientific base.

Your arguments are just baseless trash.

Your limiting factor of why digital or even general immortality is impossible does not exist in science. And that's a fact

You can keep trying to duck, but the facts remain fact. You have none to supporting fact. You clearly are ignoranyt in this. Just like you not knowing what religion was. Mr. "I'm not religious".

 

Aso. What have I said is wrong? Are you an agnostic? You admitted it earlier in the thread.

Your baseless agnostic belief is the reason why you say that this is impossible. Because science certainly doesn't say it's impossible. If it isn't impossible then it's probable. In fact, according to science, your brain is nothing more that cells and neurons performing  a specific function. There is nothing that says that we can't replicate this system. But if there is some great scientific law that this will violate, please list it. OR ANY OTHER EVIDENCE THAT SAYS THAT THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE. TO SAY SOMETHING IS IMPOSSIBLE, YOU NEED CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE.

You have none. I have listed supporting evidence why this is probable.

Again you have no evidence, and judging by your post, you will never have evidence. Once you get scientific evidence to support your claims like I have, please come back

Until then, your arguments will be baseless trash that is not supported by science.

You don't have to lie.

 

You're still doing exactly as I predicted. You're like a bot that has limited programming and can't deviate.

I never argued for a "Soul" by the way, that's all you!

 

And you are still doing exactly as I predicted. Still the baseless nonsense. Show scientific evidence that says that this is impossible. For you to have it labeled as so, you must have some conclusive evidence right?

I have shown supporting evidence why this is probable. And there is nothing in science that says this is impossible.

So where is your opinion coming from if not from your agnostic belief? Not from science, that much I can tell you. There is nothing in science that says this is impossible.

And if it is, then show me where

Let me guess? Instead of addressing the fact that your arguments are baseless and or listing the base of your belief that says that mind uploading is impossible, you will go on about some baseless nonsense of how this scientific study is a "religion".

Kurzweil — an inventor, futurist and now director of engineering at Google — predicts that by 2045, technology will have surpassed human brainpower to create a kind of superintelligence — an event known as the singularity. Other scientists have said that robots will overtake humans by 2100. - See more at: http://www.livescience.com/37499-immortality-by-2045-conference.html#sthash.irs8Dj3 c.dpuf

Stephen Hawking Predicts 'Digital Immortality' For The Human Race

According to some of the leading minds in the world, including Stephen Hawking, by 2030 we should have the capability to upload a person’s consciousness to a computer system.

Stephen Hawking: Brains Could Be Copied To Computers To Allow Life After Death

[video=youtube;ckwGUai_Vvk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckwGUai_Vvk[/video]


World leading scientists say that this is possible. Some of the greatest minds of our age.

But what do they know right? What credibility do you have again? and what base are you using to say that this is impossible? None?

I'm not holding my breath. Like I said,my prediction is that you will go on to something baseless nonsense again instead of addressing the content of the post.

 

There is obviously something more than just brain and information stored in it. Otjerwise we should refer to our personal computers as he and she and never do harm to them because they are no less living consciousnessess than we are.

But obviously that's not the case. I could throw my pc out of the window and be damn sure that i'm no assassin.

 

You've never shown that uploading your "mind" is possible. Quoting Hawking doesn't give it any more credibility. He's not an AI researcher. And again, I don't have to disprove your magic, it's up to you to prove it. You keep thinking that I have to disprove your wild speculations.

If you really want to be alive in a computer, do this: Keep a diary on your PC. When you die, "you" are alive in the computer! That's as close as you are going to get.

 

Yes it does. He is one of the greatest minds, if not the greatest mind that exists today. And physics and programing go hand in hand. You observe the world around you and you define it. If Hawking says its possible, then its very likely that its possible.



And while Hawking is not a computer engineer, the directer of google is. And many other programers and AI researchers that I have sourced said this as well. I have listed them as well as sourced them in my previous posts. What did you source again? Would you like me to list them again since your baseless agnostic belief makes you blind? But I'm sure you would know more than them. And just like I predicted, you turned coward and didn't address any of my major points.

Please explain to me why this is scientifically impossible. I have show you by the words of experts and similar research that is being done in the field that its is possible.

Tell me why mind uploading is impossible?

Science certainly doesn't say that this is impossible. Hmmm, I wonder why you would think that this is impossible if its impossibility is not backed by science? Ah! Don't tell me its related to your baseless agnostic belief? No? If its not based on science and is not based on your baseless agnostic belief, then what is its based on? Nothing?

Don't tell me that you will turn coward and run away from this again?

 

I'm curious? What is this "baseless agnostic belief" you speak of?

 

How cowardly for you to yet again deflect and try to run away.

 

I've not been deflecting, but as I've already pointed out, you are on repeat mode, making the same points over and over, even after I've carefully explained how stupid they are.

You know...I've changed my mind. Given your limited ability to respond beyond your talking points, you may already be a bot, tucked away on some server farm somewhere. As long as someone transfers you from your 3.5 floppy, you might live forever.

 

You are deflecting because.....

while Hawking is not a computer engineer, the directer of google is. And many other programers and AI researchers that I have sourced said this as well. I have listed them as well as sourced them in my previous posts. What did you source again? Would you like me to list them again since your baseless agnostic belief makes you blind? But I'm sure you would know more than them. And just like I predicted, you turned coward and didn't address any of my major points.

Please explain to me why this is scientifically impossible. I have show you by the words of experts and similar research that is being done in the field that its is possible.

Tell me why mind uploading is impossible?

Science certainly doesn't say that this is impossible. Hmmm, I wonder why you would think that this is impossible if its impossibility is not backed by science? Ah! Don't tell me its related to your baseless agnostic belief? No? If its not based on science and is not based on your baseless agnostic belief, then what is its based on? Nothing?

Don't tell me that you will turn coward and run away from this again?

 

Speaking of deflection, how about answering this? What is this "baseless agnostic belief" you speak of?

Secondly, I've already told you, just scroll back. Copying data isn't copying you, or consciousness. It's just data. When Hawking and the director of Google define what consciousness is, and how they are going to emulate that on a computer, maybe I'll listen, but right now, all you are providing is religious ranting on how you will live forever, and you expect me to prove that your immortality is impossible!

So ridiculous, but not uncommon among religious zealots. You have such a certainty in your faith...don't worry, nothing this infidel says is going to shake you from it.

 

Dude, you have been avoiding addressing my points this whole time. Why do you keep asking dumb questions that I have already answered. The idea that there might be a god. That is baseless. Science doesn't say that mind uploading is impossible. Yet you seem to think so. Now its logical to conclude that since science doesn't support your belief, something else does. Right? What else is supporting your baseless opinion that it is impossible to upload our mind onto a computer? Its certainly not science. Hmm. I wonder what it is?

Now answer me instead of deflecting like a coward.

while Hawking is not a computer engineer, the directer of google is. And many other programmers and AI researchers that I have sourced said this as well. I have listed them as well as sourced them in my previous posts. What did you source again? Would you like me to list them again since your baseless agnostic belief makes you blind? But I'm sure you would know more than them. And just like I predicted, you turned coward and didn't address any of my major points.

Please explain to me why this is scientifically impossible. I have show you by the words of experts and similar research that is being done in the field that its is possible.

Tell me why mind uploading is impossible?

Experts say it is. I'm sure you know more that them

Science certainly doesn't say that this is impossible. Hmmm, I wonder why you would think that this is impossible if its impossibility is not backed by science? Ah! Don't tell me its related to your baseless agnostic belief? No? If its not based on science and is not based on your baseless agnostic belief, then what is its based on? Nothing?

Don't tell me that you will turn coward and run away from this again?

 

You still ran away from your "baseless agnostic belief" comment! I'm not surprised because it was clearly something you just made up on the fly and couldn't give an actual response to, although it's fun asking. Therefore, I'll ask again: What is this "baseless agnostic belief" you speak of?

As for your other dribble, I have answered every question you asked, although it soon became clear that even if you were bright enough to follow along, you were psychologically unable to accept what I was saying because to you, this transhumanism is your religion. If fulfills to you all of the basic requirements of a religion, including providing the hope that there is life after death. So I soon realized there wasn't anything I could say that would talk you out of your religion. Could I talk a Muslim or Christian or Hindu out of their religion? I would say no. Faith, such as you've displayed, can't be shaken by reason. If it could, it would be pretty weak faith wouldn't it? So me telling you how silly and childish your faith is will probably just make it stronger.

However...it is fun to try. That's why I've entertained this nonsense so long, even though the ultimate result is you even stronger in your faith than ever. As a side note, I think you should probably get into Transhumanist apologetics. Somebody has to start it...

Anyway, since you are worshiping a science fiction idea, let's got to a SF parable, the Star Trek episode, What are little girls made of?. This is one of the earliest TV SF treatments of what is now a religion, and a good reminder of why that show was ahead of it's time. The basics of the plot is the Enterprise is called to a rescue mission to a frozen planet after the team on the planet lost contact 5 years ago. The Federation 911 system needs some work because that's not exactly a timely rescue. Anyway one of the members of that lost team was Nurse Chapel's fiancé. They go down to the planet and yada yada yada (spoiler alert to a 60 year old TV episode) it turns out everyone is long dead, but there was a device on the planet that made android duplicates of the humans before they died. So Nurse Chapel's boyfriend is dead, but there is an android walking around insisting he's him. Chapel promptly phasers him because...he's a machine, a copy of someone who is dead.

That's what you think it would be like, a machine that would have all the thoughts hopes and most importantly, identity of the original. The problem is, you are using the word "mind" as a proxy for the word "soul." That's fine for Star Trek, but there is no mind outside of your biological brain. Your mind is simply a biological function of your brain and body, not a separate entity that can be copied and restored in a new body, or run off a computer like software. Absent that, "copying" information from your brain would just provide a searchable database of your autonomic nervous system. Maybe someday science could provide a visual look at your memories, but your "mind" died when your body did.

But this isn't about science with you, this is your religion.

 

Again I answered it. You believe that there might be a god. That is baseless. That is your baseless belief "that I speak of". The same baseless believe that makes you think that mind uploading is impossible. Because its impossibility is not backed by science. If its not backed by science, then what is it backed by? answer? No?

I have answered you question about your baseless belief, now answer mine.

Now answer me instead of deflecting like a coward.

while Hawking is not a computer engineer, the directer of google is. And many other programmers and AI researchers that I have sourced said this as well. I have listed them as well as sourced them in my previous posts. What did you source again? Would you like me to list them again since your baseless agnostic belief makes you blind? But I'm sure you would know more than them. And just like I predicted, you turned coward and didn't address any of my major points.

Please explain to me why this is scientifically impossible. I have show you by the words of experts and similar research that is being done in the field that its is possible.

Tell me why mind uploading is impossible?

Experts say it is. I'm sure you know more that them

Science certainly doesn't say that this is impossible. Hmmm, I wonder why you would think that this is impossible if its impossibility is not backed by science? Ah! Don't tell me its related to your baseless agnostic belief? No? If its not based on science and is not based on your baseless agnostic belief, then what is its based on? Nothing?

That goes back to answer your question on your baseless belief doesn't it? It answered your question "what baseless belief do you speak of" pretty well. Science doesn't back it. And according to you, it has nothing to do with your baseless belief. [(that there might be a God)Cant be to safe with an ignoramus. I have to spell everything out since you seem to be incapable of discerning things for yourself. Or maybe you are just playing dumb?] If your baseless agnostic belief that there may be a god has nothing to do with your baseless belief that mind uploading is impossible, then what is your baseless belief that mid uploading is impossible based on? Nothing right? You know? Because its baseless?

Like I said, I have been answered you question

Don't tell me that you will turn coward and run away from this again?

 

Properly understood, it means I have no basis to disprove the existence of a god. I'll explain why that distinction is important in a moment.

First, calling me a coward because I answered your question multiple times, just not in the way you wanted it answered, is childish. We both know that I answered your question, just like we both know that your question is stupid, for a secularist. For any sort of deist or religious person, asking someone to prove that your beliefs are impossible. Otherwise, if you honestly can't understand how I answered your question in my last post, than I'm sorry, I think you are too dumb to understand it, and because you're too dumb to understand it, no one is ever going to bother copying your brain.

Your brain, not your mind.

If everything is copied from your mind and printed out in a book, is that your mind? I would say no. But you are just not going to understand it. I can't prove to you your religion is impossible. That's like a Muslim asking you to prove Allah is impossible. Good luck trying that.

 

Still haven't explained why its scientifically impossible.

 

The Most Advanced Human Brain-to-Brain Interface Ever Made

Researcher controls a colleague’s hand by channelling his brain signals through the INTERNET
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...earcher-control-colleagues-hand-internet.html

 

Mind reading machine turn thoughts to speach
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...machine-soon-turn-secret-thoughts-speech.html

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Scientist invent a machine that visualizes your thoughts

http://www.sciencealert.com/scienti...hine-that-can-visualise-your-thoughts-kind-of

 

You use such horrendous arguments.

Can a "book" "read" software? Sure you can print the source code of that software on a blook; but can the book "run" that software?

To draw a parallel-
You brain is the "hardware" and your mind is the "software"

 

MI5 ‘mind reading unit’ foils potential terrorist attacks
https://www.rt.com/uk/355110-mi5-mind-readers-terrorism/

 

Hey Mr "mind uplaoding is impossible"

Scientists uploaded a worm brain into a Lego robot
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/weve-put-worms-mind-lego-robot-body-180953399/

[video=youtube;SA1Di6KkGFY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA1Di6KkGFY[/video]

 

I did. You were not able to understand the answer...and that's with two months to think about it.

Saying that your "brain is the "hardware" and your mind is the "software"" is so simplistic as to not have any real basis on neuro-biology, but it's a simple example that, although wrong, fits into your worldview.

 

So you think the robot thinks it's the worm?

Ha!