Sixty years of watching conservatives

When I was eight, I came to America from Wales. My first friend was a boy who was part Cherokee. When I started to school that fall, I was told by other boys that I should not play with him "'cause he's Injun".

Welcome to America from the children of the hard right wing conservatives in Oklahoma.

I watched as conservatives used laws, propaganda and intimidation to oppose civil rights, voting rights, integration (I graduated from a totally segregated high school in 1964). I heard the arguments against interracial marriage; God does not approve; It will be bad for the kids; Mixing races will weaken both races.

I watched Goldwater state that we should "bomb Vietnam back to the stone age"

I saw the right wing battle against Medicare and ALL other social programs designed to help those less fortunate.

I saw Governor Reagan cut taxes for the rich in California while raising property taxes on everyone else. Not to mention saving money by tossing almost a million mentally deficient people out on the streets. Later, I watched President Reagan and company cut taxes for the rich while raising taxes on everybody else.

I have watched as conservatives began to undo everything put in place to protect ordinary people from the excesses of the rich and powerful, thereby taking us slowly back to pre Roosevelt days (Theodore, not Franklin). This culminated in the shameful signing of a bill by President Clinton that removed the last restraints towards banks so they could invest OUR money in risky ventures. This enhanced the portfolios of the wealthiest investors. This led to the big crash that resulted in today’s bad economy.

I watched the conservatives openly lie about the value of so called sources that led to the Iraq war. I also watched as they CUT taxes while TWO wars were raging. No President in the history of the Republic ever did that before. I watched as they lied about the insurgency, the civil war. I watched (and still marvel) at the audacity in saying the “surge” ended the fighting, when the walls that were put up to separate the fighting factions still stand. And the militia chiefs still flaunt the wealth we gave them to stop the fighting.

Of course, that all led to the wealthy investors making billions from companies like A.T.K blowing the place up, and companies like Halliburton putting it all back together. All at the expense of American taxpayers. Of course, the wealthy didn’t have to part with as great a percentage of that ill gotten wealth as the rest of us. But conservatives still try to portray those people as “job creators”.

The upshot will probably be an insurgence throughout the Middle East and northern Africa of crazed fanatics (no, not the Tea Party) that will last for generations.

So, today, after all those “successes”, we hear that gay marriage is bad (most Americans now disagree), that global warming is not real (most Americans know better), abortion is murder (again, not a view shared by the majority) and that everything will be just fine if we cut taxes for the wealthy, and follow Jesus Christ.

Fool me once; shame on you. Fool me over and over and over and over; and over and over and over.....

Shame on all of us
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Nice thread.

 

Crap thread.

Just the usual lieberal claptrap Iv'e seen over an over again.

 

why did you leave socialist England if all you want to do is make America the same go back to England if you want socialism
more then likely your parents came here to get away from the socialist oppression of England and came here to have a better life so why make America like what your parents escaped from

 

Early in this rant, he cried about propaganda. Then he used left wing propaganda to support his warped sense of history.

 

Solid stuff, conservatives are becoming more embarrassing by the year. I blame it on the Internet. The large uneducated base actually has a voice. It's like million little Cliven Bundys taking over the Web. Real life nutters, this site is a perfect example of that.

 

I understand progressives who are young, but it just seems weird to encounter older progressives, especially if they are men. There's something so feminine about the whole thing.

 

OP will hold things that Barry Goldwater said against me but Obama isn't expected to know what his appointees are doing.

 

You poor bastard. You really don't understand when you're being propagandized, do you? Karl Marx is pulling your strings from beyond the grave. Laughing and chanting, "Dance, puppet, dance!"

 

I will always be puzzled by progressives over the age of 30. When you're in high school, yeah, fine, I get it. You're young, dumb, and angry at the world. When you're in your 20s, you're still trying to find yourself. But by the time most people are 30, they've experienced enough of life to have matured a little. Many of them are married and have children and careers. This is usually when they start to recognize the folly of their youth. When they've experienced a taste of responsibility. So when I encounter people who are 40, 50, 60 years old and are still hardcore progressives, I can't help but shake my head. Their entire life has been a waste. They essentially stopped maturing at about the age of 16, and they haven't learned anything since.

 

All of this is true, though I disagree with the implications you draw from it. The American right is far more Teddy Roosevelt than Thomas Jefferson. It has been for a hundred years.

As a rule of thumb, if they're a major party (or participating in the democratic process at all), they're in it for the power. When you centralize that much power in a single federal government nobody is going to be happy: one size cannot fit all. Ergo, think for yourself, break laws if they conflict with your conscience, and accept that unless practically everyone has a similar transformation overnight, the Democratic process will offer little means to these ends.

 

Oh come now.
You have also watched "Rich Liberals" cooperate with all those tax cuts for the rich,
while pinning the bill for their government administered social aid programs for the poor
on the meager wallets of the working poor.
Witness "The Eisenhower Tax Code". Try a "Search"
The dismantling of this progressive tax code was bipartisan beginning with JFK's tax cuts.
Show me one tax cut that didn't follow the program of, "dinner and a movie for me, a new vacation home for the rich".
Think RepubloCrat and economic / tax policy.
Liberal vs Progressive is the difference between Hillary and Warren.
Today, anti RepuloCrats are branded as "extremest", just like all anti EU parties in EuroLand.
Big money is more afraid of Paul or Warren than any other candidates. Connect the dots.

BTW, of the two parties, I see the Democratic Party as the bigger liar when you look back on the Clinton and Obama economies. No friend to working folks.
How long will it take working folks to understand Clinton / Obama were / are not their friends.
Not to say the GOP is their friends. No money, no friends, and too dumb to vote third party.
Yes, the Bill Clinton - Barak Obama Presidencies are the bigger liars from campaign to delivery.


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That's actually a good point. The liberal left is all about feminizing men. The objective is to make men "feel" instead of think. Emotions are supposed to take priority over logic and thoughtfulness.

Do you ever notice how liberal always say that they "feel" something is not right, where a conservative usually says that he "thinks" something is not right?

To the left, men now need to feel and speak more softly with more emotion and less confidence. Confidence is now said to be arrogance and selfishness.

 

Actually, conservatives in the political arena are becoming more and more like their liberal counterparts every year.

It is embarrassing to see some politician who publicly claims to be a conservative act so much like a limp-wristed flit-boy liberal.

 

It was a great post, its funny how the conservatives jump all over you and prove the points you were making by calling you "feminine" and a "limp-wristed flit-boy liberal" proving how misogynistic and homophobic they are. If you werent from Wales, im sure they would have got racial.

So, what you're saying is liberals have no brain and conservatives have no heart? I would rather be kind and dumb than evil and smart.

limp-wristed flit-boy liberal? So do you admit you are homophobic? I imagine you say that because gay people tend to limp their wrist, if that bothers you than you are homophobic plain and simple. Thank all you conservatives for coming along and proving the OP's point spot on, you did wonderful.

 

That's just a cliché.

So, do you "feel" that was an inappropriate comment?

 

I doubt that you are very kind. Judgmental, yes, but not kind. As for the second part, you've got that one down pat

 

"Conservative", especially social conservative, and "think" tend to be mutually exclusive these days.

 

Misogyny is hatred, dislike or mistrust of women, not men; but more to the point, a feminized male cannot be trusted, because he doesn't trust himself - which is how he became feminized in the first place.

Alas, the kindness of the stereotypical liberal is utterly fraudulent, seeing seeing he is content to impose cruel financial burdens on taxpayers so as to lavish "kindness" on parasites - and even that is a sham, seeing that only keeps those parasites enslaved.

 

I once was a Republican. That was back in the days when Republicans were actually reasonable conservatives, finding ways to counteract the overreach of the well meaning, but hopelessly economically ignorant Democrats. But those Republicans have all mysteriously left the planet, and have been replaced by neoconservatives and righjt wing fanatics.

I am a proud Vietnam vet. I have a few "trinkets" that were awarded to me during that time.

I believe that people should have to do some sort of work instead of getting free welfare.

I believe that government should get off the backs of people and let us be. Preaching is for pulpits, and I don't go to church.

I am an absolutely proud "gun nut". I learned to shoot handguns 50 years ago from an Oklahoma City cop and a retired Marine.

I voted for Reagan (twice). Voted for Bush 41(Once).

And I guess that was when I began to tire of the right wing tirades, temper tantrums, bigotry and outright lying.

To paraphrase Reagan "I didn't leave the Republican party. The party left me"

And as for "learning something", I will be glad to put my life experiences against any tight a**ed radical.

By the way, the opposite of "conservative" is not "liberal" or "progressive". The opposite of "conservative" is "radical". Which means that all these so called conservatives don't even know what they really are. And they crow their ignorance daily. That is why I have removed myself from that company of fools.

Now ain't THAT a hoot?

 

The socially conservative George Wallace voters took over the party after the civil rights act was passed, and also being pandered to by Nixon and Reagan.

 

It isn't just young people who think of Bush and Cheney when they think of Republicans in control. See, no matter how old you are, they were still the last Republican administration. This is very unfortunate for conservatives in America.

 

With all due respect Goch, the one thing you haven't mentioned is the "US Constitution" (1789) which is the backbone of this Country and hated by most Democrats since 1964. It's this document and our "Declaration of Independence" (1776) yes from England, that has and continues to make the USA different from any other society, ever to exist on this planet. If fact you are no doubt here, as are most all people, because of the permanent rights given the PEOPLE, their States over a Central Government. You probably don't understand this, but most things you really appreciate are in fact State driven and not Federal.

For the record, I've been watching progressives since my schooling in the 1940's, and from your own OP, have determined your main change of mind, are what you perceive as personal needs. That's not patriotic, but I do thank you for your Military Service...