So I went to a wedding and had a racial discussion.

I went to a wedding at the winery here. And met this guy who told me he was mexican (born in America). He was with his GF there. At the end, I won the argument. But then I brought it up to others and they said some disturbing things. The guy was born here in America, but his parents are of Mexican descent. I told him he was not Mexican and he got on my face.

Apparently, you are only American if you look white.

If you're American but have a Mexican heritage, You tell people you're Mexican.
If you're American but have a Philipino background, you tell people you're Philipino.
If you have an irish background, you don't tell people you're irish. You tell people you're American.
If you have an English Background, you tell people you're American, NOT english.
If you're family came from Africa (blacks) do you tell people you're African or American?

Do you see the problem here? I told this supposedly Mexican that he was confused and that he should take an oath to the united states and stop being a Mexican because it's idiotic to claim something you're not.

Once you become an american citizen, you give up your past and you are a new born American and stop telling people you are other than mexican or Philipino. Would you agree?

 

You didn't happen to have any discussions about why George Lucas decided to ruin the blu-ray release of the Star Wars saga?

 

You had a racial discussion? From the looks of your post, you had a discussion about nationalities, and a retarded one at that.

 

its not his fault the sentiment by whites makes him feel as if he is a foreign national

he may come around as an american if the democrats legalize his people here

 

(How do you do, jedimiller?)

Although I am a Marxist/internationalist who, by logical extension, swears allegiance only to the worldwide working class to which I belong rather than to any nation state, including the United States - the land of my birth, you are essentially correct; anyone born within the United States or any of its territories is "an American" - a US citizen.
I am, however, of the belief that one's nationality (should one be concerned with such a thing) is a lot like one's sexuality: only you get to define either of these things having to do with you
Moreover, here in California, not to mention much of the rest of the south-western portion of the United States, many people of Mexican descent feel not only a strong cultural connection to Mexico but also a geographical connection. After all, the landmass which now constitutes the south-west United States was in fact stolen from Mexico. Yes, the US government paid - "pennies on the dollar" - for said land, but this was after the US government had ordered the US Army to surround Mexico City and then threatened to destroy it and its people if the Mexican government failed to capitulate to Washington's demands. For the Mexican-American "War" was initiated by the United States toward an effort to expand its territory.
Moreover, it is difficult to imagine that, well, "European-Americans" would not harbor similar cultural and geographical feelings had the aforementioned history unfolded in the opposite direction.

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As an aside and with all due respect, jedimiller, have you a credible source which would serve to buttress the legitimacy of the alleged quote by George Washington that is listed in your signature line? I know there to be literally hundreds of websites that repeat the claim that Washington once wrote "It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without 'God' and the Bible," but I know of no authoritative source of such information, including the Library of Congress, that has ever validated said quote.
Thank you.


Yours.
GM

 

OP is an utter failure.

The path the US needs to follow is the following:

Re-catholicization of the USA => Europeanization of the USA => Transatlantic-Union => Grand Western Union (consisting out of Nothern America, Southern America, Europe and possibly Africa).

 

Truthfully, the problem I see here is you went to a wedding, met someone for the first time and had the gall to tell this Mexican dude that he's not Mexican.... I don't blame him for getting in your face........

He was born to Mexican parents, which makes him Mexican and if he's proud of his Mexican heritage, what's it to you? Why make a big production out of it?

And btw, since when does a person have to 'give up their past' just b/c they're an American citizen? A person's past is part of their life, for cryin out loud!

 

wtf? how did Lucas ruin star wars? LMAO! Actually, you know i'm a huge star wars fan and I love the changes...keeping the movies fresh. But, no we didn't talk about that. I pre ordered my bluray set back in july at the comic con bud.

 

Ok, you call the discussion retarded...let me ask you this. You're in the military right? if someone asks you in the military if you are American what will you say? Lets say you are a mexican who became a US citizen or an american that was born here that says he's mexican. Will he answer American or a Mexican?

 

only you would press this at a wedding, Jedi.

 

Hello there. I live close to the border in san diego. And I have a problem with idiots going around they are mexican and showing brown pride. I consider someone who was born in Mexico a Mexican and someone who was born in America, American. I think it's simple enough.

Now if a mexican becomes a US citizen or an african or a philipino..they have to pledge an alligeance to the flag and commit to the rules and regulations of America...They become americans and stop being Mexican. I understand that nationality is important, but I personally think it's racist to separate Americans by nationality. We are ALL americans and we should describe ourselves as americans...

That day at the wedding I won the argument because I said to his GF that he didn't know if he was american or mexican and that he was confused with himself. You shouldn't be confused, if you live in this country you are AMERICAN...you aren't African.


About Washington. Well he was a bible reader and a christian and he would pray. I think that sums it up.

 

He told me he was mexican, I asked him where he was born. He said he was born in california. I proved to him he wasn't Mexican. Why does he have to be proud to be Mexican? If he loves mexico he should seek mexican citizenship and then he would become a Mexican. No argument there. He doesn't have a mexican past. his parents are of mexican descent.

let me ask you this hummingbird? I don't know what background your family has, but lets say your parents were german. You were born in New York city, grew up there. what do you tell people when they ask you? you tell people you are German????????? or American.

 

Free wine Mike!!!! You saw the pics??

 

there are three things you shouldn't discuss in polite company (which a wedding would qualify as); sex, religion and politics.

you are right, but the forum for it was wrong.

 

Ya, we'll have to pass on your super fascist state. Thanks anyway.

 

i think vBulletin is screwing up again.

 

I guess you're right Mike. It's just that it gets annoying.

 

While Jedi's post did ramble a little, I think I get what he means.
The guy was born in the US, making him an American citizen, but refers to himself as Mexican, because this is his heritage.
I think Jedi believes he should refer to himself as an American because he was born here and is a citizen of the US.

I also assume you figured out what Jedi meant, anyway.

I think he has a point. But heritage and citizenship are not the same thing. I would have thought he'd refer to himself as being Mexican-American - although I don't agree with those particular terms. I think if you were born in the US, you should refer to yourself as being American, not matter what race you are.

 

I get your point, Jedi. Don't worry, and I kind of agree.
I am part Japanese - my eyes slant slightly although it is noticeable. But I refer to myself as being Australian because I was born here. I am part Japanese (and English, German, Scottish, and Irish) but all that is part of my heritage, not my citizenship.

 

Jedi,

Katt Williams understands your point:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkNnmun5fZE"]Katt Williams onstage anti-Mexican rant - YouTube[/ame]

A million thanks to Katt Williams!

 

The whole point is - what I would say and what the Mexican guy would say could be 2 entirely different answers, which would be right for each of us... and why should there be a problem w/that?

You PROVED to him he wasn't Mexican? And how did you do that when he was BORN to 2 Mexicans? "Why does he have to be proud to be Mexican?" What an ass you are! Well, why the hell not?! If his parents raised him to be proud of his heritage - well, good for them!

If someone asks me my nationality, I don't say 'American' - which I obviously AM - I say '1/2 German, 1/2 Norwegian'...... I was born here, so you think you can prove I'm NOT 1/2 German, 1/2 Norwegian?

If this guy would rather say he's Mexican - that's his choice, he has the freedom to say "I'm Mexican" and he shouldn't be hassled about it........

Sounds to me that you go looking for problems and stir up crap that's none of your business......

 

THank you MAK!!! You said it, the people who focus on their race are racists. Everyone should be an American if they live in this country.

I don't care if they have MExican or Japanese parents they are AMERICANS and should stop looking at their race to prove a point...that really makes them racists if you think about it.

 

Indeed Mak. You are an Australian. Its all nice to know that you have heritage, but at least you don't go to weddings telling people you're Part Japanese and being all proud of it, like the cholo mexican I met. They don't know what they are.

 

Yeah I saw that video. The guy was very rude to the audience...I didn't go screaming and getting all the attention like Katt, but he makes a point. Incredible video!!!

Here's this other note. If you were born in mexico and come to a wedding and met me, then you can tell me you're mexican. No problem.

 

As far as I'm concerned- Jedi doe not have a point. Of course heritage and citizenship are 2 separate things and the Mexican guy wasn't talking about being an American citizen, but his heritage, which apparently he was proud of and obviously Jedi didn't approve of that!

He does not have a point when he gets in the face of a wedding guest, whom he's never met and insults him about whether he's really a Mexican or American....