Seems like just yesterday the Liberals were quoting the Pope's ignorant words about Capitalism and how we should basically embrace Socialism. After having demonized Christianity and Catholicism for years, they all of a sudden turned a 180 and held the Pope up on a pedestal. So... with that said, how do you feel about the "Holy Father" now, as he re-establishes the definition of life, once again? Do you yet embrace him, as abortionists, with regard to his views on life in the womb? http://cnsnews.com/news/article/bar...epared-accept-human-life-every-stage-mother-s
The Pope is basing his beliefs on the Bible. I don't accept the authority of the Bible, but I do believe that there are criticisms of unbridled capitalism and greed that need to be made. If that fact falls in line with what the Bible says, great. However, I don't have to accept every argument based on the Bible just because we happen to agree on one issue.
Yes, absolutely! This Pope is a breath of fresh air for all humans. . .Catholics, Christians or. . .NOT! That doesn't mean, and has NEVER met that anyone has to agree with EVERY word he says. And. . .MOST people who are PRO-CHOICE (that term "abortionist" is NOTHING BUT FLAME BAIT!.. .which isn't allowed in this forum!) are not IN FAVOR of abortion, at least not outside the "legal parameter" of abortion, but are IN FAVOR OF letting every woman choose for herself. . .which goes back directly to our GOD GIVEN FREE WILL. You failed miserably! Everyone is not as obsessed with finding wrongs with everyone but yourself and those who agree with you on EVERY issue!
I am a conservative atheist, and nobody cares what I think... but as you asked... yes. I (*)(*)(*)(*)ing love this pope. As it relates to his comments on greed... I don't feel I should have to remind Catholics of the 7 deadly sins personally. I think doing such is smug. Damn... I might have just done it.
As opposed to the Hitler Youth pope? Hell yes- he's way better. As for his views on abortion- hello! Does everyone agree on everything? No. Why do you guys have to make everything black and white?
I like some of what the Pope says, and I don't care for other of the stuff he says. Do you agree or disagree with him 100%?
I don't have a hard on for hate of Christians, the Catholic Church or Popes, in general. I have always held the church in somewhat high regard and I'm a Protestant. I don't denounce Catholics on a daily basis, like many Leftists and then hold the Pope up on a pedestal when he says something that I agree with to make an argument for my politics. This is exactly what Leftists on this board did, when he spoke about capitalism. To answer your question: no, I don't agree/disagree with him 100%. I just wish Leftists would tread carefully when cherry picking arguments based on what religious leaders say to prop their own arguments. It's a silly and childish game.
1) Why would anyone be bothered by the term "abortionist" if they didn't see anything wrong with abortion? That doesn't make much sense. If you support abortion, then - in the most technical sense - that makes you pro-abortion. Personally, I have no problem with people calling me an "anti-abortionist." Because I am against abortion. Thus they are technically correct in describing me that way. 2) Being in favor of allowing someone choose to kill is still being in favor of killing by default. Because you are not opposed to killing. Suppose we repealed all other anti-murder laws on the grounds of being "pro-choice." While you personally might not think it's good to kill somebody, why would you deny someone else that choice? After all, you're not supporting murder. You're just supporting everyone's right to choose for themselves what is best, right?
Oh I think technically the term would only apply to those who perform abortions. I am not an artist because I appreciate art.
You are aware that this is commonly done by both the Left and the Right regarding practically every issue- not just by religious leaders but anyone else too. - - - Updated - - - I am pro-choice but I am not an abortionist. I also support traffic enforcement, but I am not a policeman. Not a hard distinction to make.
1) You REALLY can't answer your own question? It is all about INTENT. . .and if you had any sensitivity you wouldn't even ask that question. I do not wish to debate this with extreme. . ..hypocrites. AND, this thread is NOT about the issue of abortion, but about THE POPE and his approval rating. So. . .get back on topic. 2) This is STILL not on topic. . .but OBVIOUSLY, you are pro-gun (which you mean you are not opposed to killing), and I bet you are also pro-death penalty, pro-war, and against welfare, school lunch programs, and health care for all. So. . .stop all that hypocrisy and get back on topic!
Tell me which leftist put the Pope on a pedestal? I will personally whip his/her back with 12 wet noodles.
A socialist autocracy with Reichskanzler Barack Obama in charge is the left's number one goal. They'll momentarily set aside all other agendas to advance this.
Exactly, though. If you support people's choice to kill, then your intent is to allow people to kill. That's pretty clear, isn't it? Fortunately for both of us, I don't do sensitivity. Because I recognize it as something destructive and not positive. Do you realize that most of our social and economic problems in this country today ultimately stem from too much sensitivity? When people try to force everyone to be sensitive about everything, they silence anything that makes anyone feel bad. Which means certain subjects can no longer even be talked about. Imagine for a second that you had cancer, but all doctors were forbidden from using the word "cancer" because it hurts people's feelings. This guy now has to tell you what's wrong with you without being able to actually talk about what's wrong with you. Do you not see that as a problem? I mean, you're proving my point here perfectly just with what you've said in this little snippet. Look at your statement. Instead of being willing to actually address what I'm talking about, you're simply trying to shut me up by claiming that anything "insensitive" is off limits to talk about. This is exactly the problem, Sadanie. And this is just empty ad hominem. You're just calling me names now. Which not only doesn't do anything to further the discussion but is also against forum rules. I was on topic. This is a direct quote from the OP: So clearly, abortion is part of this discussion. You're just trying to change the subject now because you don't want to have to defend what you believe. And I think it's because you know that deep down you don't have a sound argument. Am I wrong? Feel free to prove it. But I don't think you will. Because I don't think you can. You're on the wrong side of an issue here that you still feel an emotional need to defend. And rather than owning up to it, you're just calling me names and trying to change the subject. I do support these two things, yes. And I have no problem being called "pro-innocence" instead of "pro-life" if that is the description you choose to give me. I am okay with that. Because perhaps it is ultimately a more fitting label. But again, I am also fine with being called "anti-abortion" because I am also against the specific act of abortion. This is all about context. Some wars are justified. Some are not. I support the ones that are. Perhaps you could call me "pro-choice" on war? So maybe that does make me pro-war since I'm not against it all the way across the board. Again, context. I think some programs are good and others are not. So it would really be ill-fitting to call me officially "pro" or "anti" welfare. Since I am simultaneously both and neither. Uh, what? You're just pulling things out of the air now. Grasping for anything you can accuse me of here, aren't you? I am a pragmatist. I am against whatever doesn't really work. I don't want people to not have health care. I'm simply not going to support something that is illogical and unsustainable. Perhaps you should start with the person in the mirror.
But you are. Because you support abortion. Well, perhaps not an "abortionist" exactly (since that sounds more like someone who commits abortions), but it does make you "pro-abortionist." Or at the very least "pro-abortion." No, but you are pro-traffic enforcement. Do you see what I'm saying? No, I think I agree with this. That's probably true. Which is why I corrected myself above.
Do you understand the difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion. Obviously not. Being pro-choice means that it should be the choice of a woman to decide. It says nothing about your position on abortion itself. If a woman decides that she needs an abortion, it is her choice and no religious jerk should interfere.
I have found that the greatest criticizer of the Catholic Church and the Pope is more often some hard core Christians. The left and Socialism is more often neutral and occasionally even supportive of the Catholic movement. Around the world you will find the Church more often than not aligned with the left rather than the right
As usual, a lot of ranting, crappy rationalization of your OPINION. You heard my opinion. . .that is ALL I have to say. Have a nice life!
Exactly so, and it works in reverse as well. There is a distinction between being anti-choice and anti-abortion. To me, the abortion debate is ONLY about individual liberty. It's like the old saw that "I may disagree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." I may disagree about the choices some people make, but I will defend their right to make personal choices themselves, and not have those choices imposed by people who would definitely not tolerate letting others make THEIR choices. What bothers me directly about the Pope, and generally about organized religion, is that they attempt to force everyone to make the same personal decisions. I have no problem with the argument that capitalism is imperfect, since every conceivable political philosophy is a collection of trade-offs. Even individual liberty is not a pure good, and if people are going to live in groups, some common behavioral rules are necessary. The problem lies in imposing rules unnecessarily.
sense Christians here have over 2\3 of all Abortions, it may help reduce the numbers some, never know... .
