So WHY did God create Man and the Universe?

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What are you talking about ? Where did I not know the meaning of terminology I was using ?
     
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    Incorporeal Well-Known Member

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    By attempting to clean up your statement of having "met with god" to "it was more of a presence". Presence showing that the person of God would have been present.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Do not blame your misinterpretation of my statement on me. Especially after I gave you clarification.

    You are the one who can not seem to clarify anything in relation to your own claims. You asked a question and I gave you a direct answer that made it clear that what you were describing was not what I met with.
     
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    Incorporeal Well-Known Member

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    Your 'clarification' is a mere failed rationalization (the making of an excuse for your behavior) . Nuff said on this posting.
     
  5. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you feel that enough has been said then quit speaking :hiding:
     
  6. Incorporeal

    Incorporeal Well-Known Member

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    The feeling is mutual... you really should quit while you still have your head above water.
     
  7. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am standing on solid ground with my foot on your head. You are scared to come out of the corner for fear that your ideas may not hold up.

    You cant even answer simple questions in relation to your own claims you are so afraid.

    Once again:

    You claim that interpretation of scripture is given to you by the Holy Spirit.

    Does this mean that your interpretation of scripture comes from God ?
     
  8. jpaluska

    jpaluska New Member

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    Did you ever think that it was because He wanted to?
    Would it surprise you to know that God wants to do things?
     
  9. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    It makes sense: Truth is the way.
     
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    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    I can live with that idea, too, because even without the Bible, Reality is the almighty all species must adapt to become extinct.
    And for man, Truth is our ONLY tool for adapting properly before we face extinction as a species.

    Reality is one.
    Reality is also what we think to be True, too.
    Reality is "god."
     
  11. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes and the truth according to Jesus was that Salvation is on the basis of works.
     
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    Prunepicker Well-Known Member

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    Would you provide evidence that it is? I'd like to read more.
     
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    Glad to hear you liked it.
     
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    crank Well-Known Member

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    and you know this, how? does god speak to you directly to tell these things?

    and does it not bother you that the idea of 'wanting' is comprehensively neutered by omnipotence/omniscience/omnipresence?
     
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    Does it not bother you that the idea of being omnipotent and omniscient would likewise provide one with the ability to conceive of something that one does not have and also to have the ability to want that something and likewise to provide that something? Being Eternal would also provide that/those same options forever. Infinite mind is so much greater than what mankind has.
     
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    crank Well-Known Member

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    only in so far as you can ascribe anything you like to it.
    and you theists surely make the most of that special attribute :)
     
  17. Incorporeal

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    Gee... I guess that is probably one of the reasons why some non-theists display such animosity and spite toward God... they seem to be infuriated by the fact that they cannot outsmart God. Oh well... maybe one day ....
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Just read Matt 5-7 Matt 25 Sheep and Goats parable ... and James 2 if there is any notion of "Sola Fide" you wish to get rid of.
     
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    Prunepicker Well-Known Member

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    There is nothing about Salvation by works.

    Try again and maybe with something compelling.
     
  20. Incorporeal

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    Wow... that would mean you are asking him for proof... Proof: evidence or argument that compels the mind to accept it as true.

    Good luck with that request. Otherwise you presented a good post.
     
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    Perhaps you do not understand what "works" is ? Perhaps you do not understand the chapter notation Not sure. .

    Here is a link to Matt 5-7 in case you could no figure out the notation. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew 5-7

    In any case Jesus speaks at length about works/deeds and keeping the commands so that our place in heaven is secure
    in his long and most famous of Sermons.

    Jesus starts out talking about the importance of the Law.

    Matt 5
    In the body of the sermon Jesus goes on at length giving numerous examples.

    Adultery, Murder, Judge not, the Golden Rule an so on. Works Works and more Works.

    Then Jesus begins to summarize:

    Matt 7
    The Golden Rule ! Do unto others. Jesus says this sums up the law and the ideas of the Prophets. Works

    Then Jesus talks about false prophets, like those that ignore Jesus teachings about works.

    Matt 7
    21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

    Jesus gives a great description of modern day Fundamentalist Evangelicals and Pentecostals who make up their own version of scripture and pretend to speak for God (speaking in tongues and so on).

    Who gets into heaven ? "Only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven" What God commands as per what Jesus has been saying for 3 chapters. Works.
     
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    No!!! You completely missed it! Why would He die the most gruesome death in History if it only took good works to be saved? It is obvious that something needed to be enacted for the salvation of humanity. Jesus's death and ressurection not only gives a pardon of all of our transgressions (Hebrews 10:12 and Romans 3:24-25), but, when the Holy Spirit enters you, and you proclaim Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you become a completely new creation, one that has never existed before (2 Corinthians 5:17). We get a new nature than enables us to live the way God wants us to (Romans 6).
    Please message me if you want to hear more: jpaluska3@gmail.com
     
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    It's quite clear that you either haven't read what you posted or just put
    something up you found on the Internet. At any rate, Jesus mentions
    works two times and in neither case is salvation mentioned.
    Not true. See above.

    The rest of your post is just as inaccurate.
     
  24. cupid dave

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    Oh, sure.
    Satan believes that Truth exists, too, but he has no intention of abiding by it.

    You may believe what I say is true, yet argue with me so you will appear correct even if you know you are not.
    One must accept the Truth, and live in accord with it, or he still lives madly in the insanity of a Fantasy World.
     
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    What is your definition of works ?
     

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