Solution to guns.

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Brett Nortje, Jun 15, 2016.

  1. jmblt2000

    jmblt2000 Well-Known Member

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    Fine here are some numbers for you:
    Now, for those violent crime rates we can directly compare;

    Assault:………………… Australia 834.5……….U.S 404.5 (386.3 in 2011)

    Sexual Assault………………Australia 86.6………..U.S. 27.7 (26.8 in 2011)

    Robbery ………………….Australia 71.1………..US 119.3 (113.7 in 2011)

    Kidnapping………………..Australia 2.9…………US So rare records are not kept.

    http://extranosalley.com/violent-crime-rates-u-s-vs-australia/

    And the bottom line? Even making the dubious assumption the Australians themselves are mistaken and the “Australian Institute of Criminology” numbers are correct – Oz’ has profited very little from its gun control laws.
     
  2. scarlet witch

    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A pro gun blog? Really LOL

    It's Friday evening and I'm not even going to bother with more statistics, you can go back and read what I've already posted in this thread... or not.

     
  3. Bowerbird

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    Prove it
     
  4. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    And there is the lie right there

    Australia does not keep statistics on rape - we keep stats on a broader range of sexually related crimes called "sexual assault" America keeps different statistics focussing only on the narrow definition of rape and in fact if you check out the source that that astroturf site used you will see that only "forcible rape" is included in the statistics
     
  5. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    All your "facts" are cherry picked so that the lowest dip in a graph is compared to the highest regardless of trending either side of the statistic

    Which is why you use 7 year old data and not overall trending

    Also interesting that the link only contained data from 2014 not from 2009
     
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    Wrong again, you are batting 1.000

    The graph I plotted was the AUS crime report data from 1995 (the year before the ban went into full effect) through 2009, the trend is quit clear. I've posted it before, you have seen it before, you have been to the AUS site and seen the data - you've posted data from the AUS site right here in this forum so don't act stupid.

    The AUS Bureau of Statistics reworked their web site recently, so it will look different to you. But having billed yourself as a "master researcher" I'm sure you will figure it out and find the multiyear database.
     
  7. Small Town Guy

    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I suspect only the 8 children would have died if she had a gun. It was a family thing. Point is...even with your bright shiny laws a mass murder occurred with a knife.....and no amount of regulations on inanimate objects will stop that, when you all get your house in order and stop all your mass killings, we'll consider something here, I mean since you are so emotionally charged about saving lives and all.
     
  8. SiNNiK

    SiNNiK Well-Known Member

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    I lol'd...
     
  9. scarlet witch

    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    that's domestic violence not mass shooting/stabbing

     
  10. jmblt2000

    jmblt2000 Well-Known Member

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  11. jmblt2000

    jmblt2000 Well-Known Member

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    The term forcible rape is just a more specific term used to describe the potentially violent manner in which the crime may have occurred, or as a precursor to an aggravated rape charge which carries a higher statutory sentence. It is also used to distinguish rape with violence from underage sex without violence.

    So what really is the difference?
     
  12. Small Town Guy

    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    UMMM Mass killings are not defined by the type of violence it is, you should verse yourself, eh? Now on to the rest of what I said.
    Point is...even with your bright shiny laws a mass murder occurred with a knife.....and no amount of regulations on inanimate objects will stop that, when you all get your house in order and stop all your mass killings, we'll consider something here, I mean since you are so emotionally charged about saving lives and all. Were you gonna comment on this part?
     
  13. scarlet witch

    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe it is you who should verse yourself. Crimes are very narrowly defined and included accordingly in statistics. The term when domestic violence turns into family massacre is Familicide, and the US have MANY more of these type of killings than Australia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Familicide

    It's quite amusing how Americans try to paint Australia as a crime capital, the 2nd most liveable country in the world. With two of our cities in the top 20 (US none), and 5 in the top 30.


     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    :roflol: those links are to statistics, no comparisons between the US and Australia on those sites.
    once you start comparing you're going to be in shock, your pro gun blog would be cherry picking data and ignoring valuable stats to twist results

    you're going to have to make more of an effort than hint at it, if you are indeed correct there should be at least ONE reliable source you can post a link comparing Australia and the US (like I did a few posts back in this thread)


     
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    The U.S. Population is ridiculously armed to a point that the Soviet's considered an invasion of North America impossible even if by some miracle the Soviet's were capable of getting past the U.S. Military.

    Which they were not.

    AA
     
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    OH OK I'll let you in on the secret...mass killings are defined by the numbers killed not the type of violence. Nope not trying to paint Australia as anything other than to point out that you still have mass killings and your gun control laws did nothing to stop them. Now lets move on to the rest you won't discuss Point is...even with your bright shiny laws a mass murder occurred with a knife.....and no amount of regulations on inanimate objects will stop that, when you all get your house in order and stop all your mass killings, we'll consider something here, I mean since you are so emotionally charged about saving lives and all. Were you gonna comment on this part?
     
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    I don't know why foreigners feel the need to involve themselves in our rights anyways. It's pretty simple concept, taking away the tool is not solving the problem. It's not EVEN putting a Bandaid on it. If a person is going to commit MURDER and especially mass murder, then they aren't worried about breaking a few gun control laws. It's just crazy to suggest such things.
     
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    Perhaps those Foreign Fur Bearing Varmints are jealous of Our Constitutional Rights, and would like Us to be moar like them, disarmed and helpless and at the mercy of gangs of strong arm thugs and rapists.

    Just as they do in many Third World Nations with strict gun control, a gang of thugs invades a home and rapes everyone.
     
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    Your low crime rates have a lot more to do with geography and population density more than anything else.
     
  20. scarlet witch

    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Crime rates have nothing to do with population, both Honduras and Belize have among the highest crime rates in the world, Honduras has just over 8 million people and Belize just over 300 000

     
  21. scarlet witch

    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I see we've come full circle to making (*)(*)(*)(*) up again, and now for the fun part :) Please substantiate your claims by listing Australia's numerous mass killings and no ONE won't do.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data

    Orlando nightclub massacre
    Excel Industries mass shooting
    Kalamazoo shooting spree
    San Bernardino mass shooting
    Planned Parenthood clinic
    Colorado Springs shooting rampage
    Umpqua Community College shooting
    Chattanooga military recruitment center
    Charleston Church Shooting
    Trestle Trail bridge shooting
    Marysville-Pilchuck High School shooting
    Isla Vista mass murder
    Fort Hood shooting 2
    Alturas tribal shooting
    Washington Navy Yard shooting
    Hialeah apartment shooting
    Santa Monica rampage
    Pinewood Village Apartment shooting
    Mohawk Valley shootings
    Newtown school shooting
    Accent Signage Systems shooting
    Sikh temple shooting
    Aurora theater shooting
    Seattle cafe shooting
    Oikos University killings
    Su Jung Health Sauna shooting
    Seal Beach shooting
    IHOP shooting
    Tucson shooting
    Hartford Beer Distributor shooting
    Coffee shop police killings
    Fort Hood massacre
    Binghamton shootings
    Carthage nursing home shooting
    Atlantis Plastics shooting
    Northern Illinois University shooting
    Kirkwood City Council shooting
    Westroads Mall shooting
    Crandon shooting
    Virginia Tech massacre
    Trolley Square shooting
    Amish school shooting
    Capitol Hill massacre
    Goleta postal shootings
    Red Lake massacre
    Living Church of God shooting
    Damageplan show shooting
    Lockheed Martin shooting
    Navistar shooting
    Wakefield massacre
    Hotel shooting
    Xerox killings
    Wedgwood Baptist Church shooting
    Atlanta day trading spree killings
    Columbine High School massacre
    Thurston High School shooting
    Westside Middle School killings
    Connecticut Lottery shooting
    Caltrans maintenance yard shooting
    R.E. Phelon Company shooting
    Fort Lauderdale revenge shooting
    Walter Rossler Company massacre
    Air Force base shooting
    Chuck E. Cheese's killings
    Long Island Rail Road massacre
    Luigi's shooting
    101 California Street shootings
    Watkins Glen killings
    Lindhurst High School shooting
    Royal Oak postal shootings
    University of Iowa shooting
    Luby's massacre
    GMAC massacre
    Standard Gravure shooting
    Stockton schoolyard shooting
    ESL shooting
    Shopping centers spree killings
    United States Postal Service shooting
    San Ysidro McDonald's massacre
    Dallas nightclub shooting
    Welding shop shooting

     
  22. OrlandoChuck

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    There is no crime expert in America that denies that there is a direct correlation between crime and poverty. That why most crime is committed in ghettos much like Honduras and Belize.
     
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    :roll: that's great we agree now can you please tell him that vvvvv

     
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    I didn't say population. I said population density. There are of course correlations between population and density, particularly when you have high density and conflicting cultures.

    There are of course a lot of other factors there, and Honduras is ground zero as one of the worlds leading narcotics makers.
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you forget Australia do actually have cities where density is high lol

    btw I love how you put Australia on trial after 50 people just died in Orlando, nice diversion ;) this way you don't have to deal with your problems

     

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