Solving climate crisis will require a total transformation of global energy

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  1. Jack Hays

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    The propaganda outruns the capability.
    Nothing shows how pathetic solar and battery power are like the pitiful celebrations
    Strap yourself in: Solar Power and batteries made a whole town 100% renewable (for 80 minutes).

    It’s an Australian first! Put out a press release. No seriously, they did:

    Solar and battery microgrid takes WA town to 100% renewables in Australian first
    Western Australia has again demonstrated its remote renewable energy generation chops, after successfully powering the Pilbara town of Onslow entirely on a combination of large and small-scale solar and battery storage for a total of 80 minutes.

    Only 520,000 minutes short of a whole year. . . .
     
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    Danger signals are coming out of Germany.
    Power Grid Operators, Experts And Federal Audit Office Warn Of Blackouts As Coal, Nuclear Get Phased Out
    By P Gosselin on 23. June 2021

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    As wildly fluctuating, weather-dependent green energies come increasingly online, German grid operators and the German Federal Audit Office are warning the German government of power blackouts. But the government is ignoring the warnings and continues to insist everything is fine.

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    Grid operator 50Hertz, for example, warns of energy shortages as Germany continues to shut down its nuclear and coal power plants, which currently serve to provide crucial baseload power for the grid.

    Germany’s Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Energy (BMWi) refuses to heed the warnings and demands of the Federal Audit Office and the country’s grid operators, insisting: “All our studies show that, on the whole, we have sufficient power for Germany.”

    “Momentous misjudgement”

    But experts are calling BMWi’s stance “a technical and momentous misjudgement when it comes to power supply security, as will become apparent over the next few years,” reports the online Ruhrkultour here. . . .
     
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    I suggest we need to take account of the elephant (dragon?) in the room.
    Forget Trying To Reduce CO2 Emissions in the West: China’s Emissions Now Equal to All G7 Countries
    ECONOMICS AND POLICY JULY 2, 2021
     
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    A pledge from China is just words and considering the source really meaningless words so it does nothing.
     
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    I would have no problem letting them go if we in the West also cut loose and dropped all emissions targets and restrictions. As it is, we are crippling ourselves while giving them a free pass.
     
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    You didn’t read the entire thing did you? Besides that is not how grid battery back ups work.
    The South Australian Array at Hornsdale works like this

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hornsdale_Power_Reserve
     
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    By a guest blogger

    meanwhile the South Australian network with its giant Tesla array is leading the world.
     
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    That is what the Paris accords are designed to do BTW China signed those accords
     
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    This is delicious, and should be savored slowly.
    Secret Otto Engine Car For German Green Party Minister…”Range Anxiety”…”In The Interest Of The Country”
    By P Gosselin on 11. July 2021

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    Another example of Green hypocritical “do as I say, not as I do”.

    While Germany’s Green politicians demand regular tax-paying citizens make sacrifices and accept inconveniences on behalf of the climate, they think they get to follow other rules.

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    Michael Sauerbier of the Berliner Zeitung (BZ) reports on how last March “Brandenburg’s Minister of Health Ursula Nonnemacher (63) touted “the government’s first all-electric official car”… “a new e-Audi” but in reality she “secretly used her state secretary’s gasoline-powered car – out of range anxiety!”

    For Ms. Nonnemann, getting stranded by losing battery charge is all part of the sacrifices the regular peasants will surely have to make in order to put the global climate and society back in order. But because her work is so important, that duty doesn’t apply to her. . . .
     
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    So a blog post from a denialist website quoting an obscure article in a German ? What? site/blog/news source? Now I DID find a source and this story is FOUR YEARS OLD! Apparently Germany did not have the charging stations in place.
    This field is evolving so rapidly that a four year old story is very definitely yesterday’s news
     
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    I think those are unreasonable and unrealistic.

    Maybe instead of focusing on "banning" things they should focus on positive alternatives.

    The first priority should be greater conversion of the electric power grid to renewables. But even there the conversion will not be complete because it is just not very economically efficient or feasible to store large amounts of electric power, it's more practical to generate it on demand. So there will still be back-up gas power plants to provide the power when the renewables cannot.

    I think the greenies are trying to bit off way more than they can chew, and as a result their initiatives are going to be less effective, because they're not focusing on the things that would be most practical and effective, giving the best value for the money spent and sacrifice made.
     
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    Yeah, we've already seen the disaster the biofuels can cause. They're going to have to be very careful where these biofuels are sourced from.
    That's likely going to involve tariffs and barriers against free trade, something that will likely come up against a lot of resistance.

    Hydrogen is not so easy to use on airplanes. Yes, the hydrogen itself is very lightweight, but it is also low density and difficult to store, requiring a much heavier and larger fuel tank. Some additional danger as well. Likely those additional safety features will add even more weight.

    I'm almost half surprised the greenies aren't supporting banning of airplanes and forcing people to travel by train instead.
     
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    Yeah, I know, when I tell you what's wrong with your bold plan, your eyes just glaze over and your brain shuts off.
    In one ear and out the other.


    Maybe the plan needs to be thought out a lot more, get more input from different experts, try to make the plan more practical and less ambitious.

    Right now it mostly sounds like a total pipe dream.
     
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    Tell me - do you still waste your money on incandescent lights?
     
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    I changed the outside to LED, and there's an LED bulb in the lamp by the window which gets left on while no one is home to deter burglars, but other than that I just don't find LED to give as good quality as the old bulbs. The light just doesn't look or feel as good.

    I'm also in a colder climate, so it's not like it's really wasting any power. (If you're using an "energy efficient" bulb and you have an electric heater turned on at the same time, you're just stupid)
     
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    If the Earth is entering into another of it's periodic climatic shifts then there's NOT ONE DAMN THING HUMANS CAN DO TO STOP IT!!! No more than we can stop volcanos from erupting or the tectonic plates from shifting....but then when a sizable portion of the populace probably thinks Tatooine is a real planet and a Lion King really does live in Africa....why not? :roll:
     
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    The pie in the sky fantasies will not keep up with growing demand and leave us vulnerable to collapse for a problem that doesn’t even happen this century.

    We should prepare for survivability to change and still have a cheap source of energy.
     
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    And where does China get tons of coal from?
     
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    Too lazy to look it up huh?

    China Imports of Coal

    From many nations
     

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