It's not just a word, it's the LAW! Do you understand that on top of everything else, if a person enters the United States illegally, we have absolutely NO idea whether he's a criminal wanted in another country, whether he's a terrorist of many different kinds, or whether he's just freeloading, parasitic bum who wants to suck on Mother America's 'sugar-teats'.... We need to know, with certainty, who is coming here, why they are coming here, what they are going to be doing while they are here, and how long they're going to be here. Your rant about U. S. income tax policy, the Communist Manifesto, the Fourth Amendment, etc., etc. really has nothing to do with the issue of illegal aliens! You construct an elaborate sidestepping maneuver instead of focusing on the real problem -- people who come into the United States illegally for WHATEVER reason.... And you completely avoid any consideration of the concept that at the very least we should get rid of illegal aliens who enter this nation repeatedly after committing all kinds of crimes, many of which are committed against LEGAL immigrants! I've already said, and I was very serious, that we would welcome foreigners who come into the country legally, and who are thoroughly examined and vetted so that we know who and what they are, etc. But, that doesn't satisfy you. Too bad. That leaves many of us in the Center and the Right with the unfortunate and rather hammer-headed choice for illegal aliens of "round them all up and get them the hell out of here -- NOW!" Last question: just by looking at them, can you "tell" the difference between a Mexican laborer who comes into the U. S. to put roofs on houses from an Arab terrorist who is here to kill people and destroy property for some weird religious ideas about pleasing his "god"...?! For the last time, for every right reason imaginable, we need to know WHO is coming into our country, and WHY they are here....
You talk a good game, but the pretext leads to absolute destruction of a free nation. If we're going to worry about our neighbors, then maybe it would be a good idea to get a travel permit to travel from one state to another. After all, you wouldn't want a guy from Georgia to drive into New Jersey or Maryland, would you? Georgians can own guns. A Georgian might cross state lines with a weapon in his car. They don't allow guns in Maryland and New Jersey. How far do you go with this precedent? You are resorting back to that idiocy again with fear mongering that someone might suck off the "Mother America's sugar teats." What a load of absolute horse manure! You guys got Hitler's tattoo idea on steroids passed - you remember the National ID / REAL ID Act and E - Verify based on the Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops, "Social Security Number." How come all that socialism didn't address that issue OR are you fear mongering? You can use all the deflections possible and try to ignore the FACT that socialism and communism are being employed in order to promote a LIE. Having debated the big boys on this subject, not to mention hundreds of anti-immigrants on this site, your deflections are not unique, but do give an opportunity to attack the weak points of your argument. The anti-immigrant lobby wants to deny all but temporary agricultural workers and highly skilled white collar types admission to the United States. On top of that they advocate only citizens be given the luxuries of unalienable Rights. What freaking arrogance!! In the first place, the 14th Amendment guarantees to all persons the "equal protection of the laws." Private business exists to make a profit. They are nto here to guarantee you a job. When you advocate that only certain classes of workers be allowed to work here, it denies to the employers the equal protection of the laws. So, dude - be advised CONSTITUTIONAL GUARANTEES TAKE PRECEDENCE OVER STATUTORY LAWS. So, if a law makes something "illegal" and that conflicts with a constitutional liberty, you are pretty much S.O.L. The anti-immigrant lobby screwed the pooch on civil liberties and now does not want to admit that the consequences of their efforts has gutted the Constitution. So, when they are exposed, they call it a "rant." Meanwhile these mental midgets out there selling the party line only want to wear out that word "illegal." You have to have more than that. Surely you do. The anti-immigrant lobby has this half assed agenda to claim this about "illegal" immigration, then they do not want all employers to have equal access to the cheap foreign labor market. They yap about a "legal" way into the United States, but visas don not fit the fact situation of the bulk of the undocumented workers; the caps on visas is more than a half a century old; it has become easier to become a citizen of the U.S. rather than a Guest Worker. And so, Pollycy is part of that lobby that wants to declare government to be God - in the Rights granting business. He / she is for forced citizenship and once those people are citizens, they will vote Pollycy and he / her minions into the pages of history. All of this Hitler housesh!+ sounds good to people with low IQs, but the reality is, the United States did EXTENSIVE background checks on Nidal Hasan. How did that work out for you? Omar Mateen was a U.S. born son of Afghans. He was a radical Muslim. How did the background checks work out with that? We should be at war with Islam. They are at war with us. But, we have no cause to wage a war against our neighbors to our south. It's irrelevant at this stage. Soon, however, the costs will mount for this anti -foreigner paranoia. The costs in terms of lost Liberties, higher taxes and a shift toward global socialism will become apparent. Then you will have to answer my tough questions.
The solution is more simple. Stop being dumb people that continue to allow companies to make money on prisons (even without private prisons, companies make money on supplying prisons. Stop with mandatory min sentences and harsh sentences, particularly for drug possession. Actually rehabilitate, not give someone a felony, then when released, give them no hope of getting a job and staying clean because nobody will hire or rent a house to a felon. Increase drug treatment centers and stop just throwing sick addicted people to rot in jail. And how about focusing on the issues like poverty, wealth disparities, quality of life, education, the reason we have such high rates of imprisonment. it's disgraceful that the land of the free has one of the highest rate of imprisonment in the industrialized world
Nothing I said even made a dent. No surprise. You really think that I want "government to be God"...? How very, very little you understand about me, or people who are like me. "Anti-foreigner" paranoia? I've told you several times already that I'd welcome (WELCOME) legal immigrants, but, again, that doesn't even register with you. What's the point in going on...? But, I'll close by trying to agree with you on the fact that "we should be at war with Islam"! You and I are in total agreement on that! Let me leave now, but I'll give you a link to information you can use as you try to convince others that the "problem" we have right now is so-called "peaceful" Islam. If you haven't seen this before, it will put many "arrows in your quiver". Happy hunting! Link: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx
If you want to know why you're not making a dent, my parting shot to you is a true story and what the anti - immigrant lobby really believes. Some years ago Congress passed a law, ostensibly aimed at foreign terrorists. Very few were ever pursued; however, two instances came about that should have made America question the strategy of passing bad laws that encroach upon the Liberties of people. In one instance, police knocked down the door of an elderly grandmother with a no knock warrant that, apparently, allows for an armed raid. The woman, approaching 90 was scared sh!+less and thought it was thugs. She fired on the LEOs who never identified themselves. She was murdered by the LEOs. The same law was applied to a militia leader during that same time frame. In that instance, this guy lost his job, his credit rating, and his security clearance was tagged. He lost his job and then couldn't get another one. To top it off a news reporter stopped by the militia leader's home. According to the reporter, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation was behind the dirty deeds AND more was to come. The news reporter said plans had been hatched, though he was unable to prove it, and the LEOs were going to kick down the militia leader's door and murder him, claiming he resisted arrest. Well, there wasn't much of a way to prove the plan existed, so it was abandoned, but the case still went to court. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation did their job with regard to exposing the actions taken against the militia leader and suspended the guy who started the whole thing. That agent was suspended without pay, had a report put in his file, reduced in rank and reassigned to a lower position. But, the damage had been done. To no surprise, the LEOs tried to use the same law that was used to try and excuse the murder of an elderly grandmother. The GBI agent actually tried to sue to get his job and rank back. That law was supposedly aimed at pursuing foreign terrorists. Two innocent Americans were denied Due Process based upon a law designed, ostensibly, to pursue foreign terrorists. One lost her life; the other was just lucky. The moral of the story is that the precedents you set can and are used against innocent people. You showed your abject ignorance of the subject matter by calling my examples of the socialist strategy of keeping the income tax and using Hitler's tattoo idea on steroids as ways to screw with people you call "illegal aliens a "rant." Look at the facts: My U.S. Congressman put a bill before Congress to repeal the 16th Amendment getting rid of the income tax AND the IRS. It was the most researched legislation in U.S. history. But, you guys NEEDED the income tax in place so that we would have tha "unique identifier," the Socialist Surveillance Number ... there I go again "Social Security Number" in order to prop up E-Verify. Your side could not afford to have the false charge of "they don't pay taxes" officially taken off the table. The more rational way to deal with the issue is to allow those who are here to stay here. If they have gotten the Individual Taxpayer Identification Number and paid the taxes, they should have to pay the $250 civil fine for improper entry , get issued a Guest Worker status with NO path to citizenship and call it a day. I have equally sensible ideas to give Americans a decided advantage in the job market without the wall or pursuing people - whether you like the facts or not - who do not have a legal option by which to enter the U.S. since the visas do not match their fact situation. The laws and the strategies the anti-immigrant lobby is pursuing have many bad consequences for the American people. Your side does not understand precedents. But, if you almost lost your life; if you lost your job, your credit rating and got blacklisted; if your mother or grandmother were murdered over bad precedents, you would understand what I'm saying to you. Unfortunately you won't take a fool's advice until you have been a fool yourself. Fear mongering is not an effective way to resolve an issue. Neither are lying to the public about what the real deal is. But understanding the potential pitfalls of your proposals are the hallmark of a statesman as opposed to a political propaganda prostitute.
Well, we should definitely dump Mexican criminals and hispanic criminals on them, and bill them for our costs. But, for real prison reform, stop using them for warehousing the mentally ill who don't have rich relatives.
It would be cheaper and easier to strip 2 or 3 time convicted felons of their citizenship and deport them to another country. Give them $10, a brown-bag lunch, and a parachute, then kick them out the back of a C-130 over Libya, Somalia, Afghanistan, Myanmar or some other Failed State.
Sure it's possible to deport fake 'citizens'; in fact the Founder of the Democratic Party himself was a big fan of doing just that. Lincoln practiced deporting his political enemies, and Lincoln is supposed to be 'great' and The Bestest Evar Prez in the eyes of faux 'progressives', isn't he? Every society has a right to fix the fundamental principles of its association, and to say to all individuals, that if they contemplate pursuits beyond the limits of these principles and involving dangers which the society chooses to avoid, they must go somewhere else for their exercise; that we want no citizens, and still less ephemeral and pseudo-citizens, on such terms. We may exclude them from our territory, as we do persons infected with disease. Thomas Jefferson to William H. Crawford, 1816 Real Democrats should have no problem deporting fake 'citizens', like the Clintons, Farrakhan, Sharpton, Perez, Holder, and most of the Party's current base.
No US citizen should be forced into third world conditions, even liberal scum deserve better than that. By all means send Mexico back all its citizens, every last one of those illegal aliens...
