Some people think we need less government

I'm not, and I can give you a prime example.

The laws being passed to protect Monsanto's GMO foods, and give them a monopoly, are regulation that are killing this country literally.

This is the double edged sword, if you want to see the world in black and white, you will forever be wrong!

 

Oh yes, we know, according to you, "Communism is good, Capitalism is bad". Which has built the best society for it's citizens, RtW??? I believe the average American citizen has more than any other nation in the world. More material goods, more freedom, more free time, more places to go, and more to do. So why don't you take your own advice and take your fat cat nonsense and stay home for a few days??

 

That last post is a good argument for why you should not type on an Ipod. Just insert all the missing words in there and it will make more sense.

 

So government campaign commercials telling you to vote money from your neighbor so they can spend it how they see fit is for what purpose?

 

I couldn't agree more. But you also need to understand a chain of command here. The government passed laws to protect Monsanto because government politicians are bought out by the Monsanto people to literally kill us by reaping huge profits. We live in a legal mafia run system. I make no excuses for either side. But the double edge sword you refer, comes from a single edge side that grows into a two bladed side, when they manage to turn the other side over.

 

I'd rather trust the bank, and jail the bank robber. Seems to make sense to me.

 

Agreed, we need to ban private money in federal elections with a constitutional amendment, and force all lobbying onto the public record uder penalty of a felony.

 

The people who want less/small government are Fox news and Rush radio listeners.

The CEO's who fund/control Fox news and Rush radio want to abolish the EPA, FDA, IRS, ex.ex.ex. they want to abolish these government agencies so they can no longer fine and regulate large corporations.

But unforchantly Fox news and Rush radio listeners do not understand that the EPA makes sure that their water is safe to drink, and also makes sure their children do not play in areas contaminated by dangerous chemicals. And they don't understand that the FDA makes sure their medicines and food is safe.

CEO's like the Koch brothers fund Fox news and Rush radio, and these CEO's also want supply side tax cuts (tax cuts for the rich.) And they are trying to get 0% tax rates on dividends, so billionaires will have 0% federal tax rates. They also want to privatize Social Security so Wall Street CEO's can take $750 billion dollars in fees from everyone's retirement money. And unforchanitly Fox news and Rush radio listeners want all of these things as well.

Scientists call Fox news and Rush radio "corporate propaganda groups." I have heard propaganda experts say that Adolf Hitlers propaganda teams top leader "would have been jealous of the trust levels that Fox news and Rush radio get from their listeners/followers."

The following Australian documentary is where I learned many of these things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSAzYWmsiwI

 

Of course! Only speech should be prohibited, and it should be limited to only powerful party politicians right? Who do you think makes public campaign finance laws?

 

Is this the FDA that approves pink slime? Foods that are literally killing more Americans then cigarettes? Raising the price of food for people? Hong Kong has no FDA, less food health concerns too.

Every wealthy country in the world has quality food, whether or not they have a FDA. Nearly all of the food produced in grocery stores comes from a handful of companies that were established before the strict regulatory regime we find ourselves in today. Food used to be a very diversified business.

 

When you run out of robbers willing to steal from an open vault let me know.

In the mean time I will trust people to do with their money as they see fit, and put it in much safer places. Surely you wouldn't spend your retirement savings on more Social Security do you? Of course not. It gets robbed all the time, and they pay off is horrible. So it goes with all of government. Taxing the worker's money to pay for whatever war you are planning, or whatever rich guy stimulus you like has the same effect as theft.

 

From a (revisionist) communist perspective you need much much less federal government to the degree that they can not force anything other than the constitution and handle some money to pay the army and the supreme court. At the other hand you need much more powerful local governments where you and other city / town / village folks can decide how to run the place.

LOL man you are delusional , Americans are not topping any chart in anything ( except incarceration rate )

 

Have they refined communism to turn it from one dictator to 1000? That is an improvement at least. Let me know when we an trust people to spend their own money, and we get 330000000 dictators of their own lives, then I will sign up. Communism of the individual.

 

Communism was always designed to be decentralised because central governments are a critical component of capitalism.
Judging from your post i don't expect you to understand that , i can not name the aminoacids in my DNA and i also don't understand how they work but this does not mean that they are not there.

 

You cannot name all the people who worked to build your computer, but there it is. Capitalism works much like your DNA, it doesn't always know what the end result is, the person who mined the ore doesn't know if it will be a bridge or a car, they just do their function, and other parts of the economy do their's and it all comes together.

Communism as you describe means you have to know everyone who produces everything you own and you have to work with them to get it. I spent time in my childhood on a commune. I am well aware. Power tends to concentrate and corrupt where granted, so the only answer is to limit it as much as practically possible. Communism does not do that in practice, only in illogical theory. People are not ants, and they will never naturally behave as they do.

 

Capitalism doesn't work .

What i am proposing is bringing administrative authority upside down leaving communities run themselves as they see fit , your federal (and our central) government will only secure that decisions are not unconstitutional while running the military , supreme court , international relationships and coordinate projects between different communities (where communities can be anything from states to cities to villages to counties) .
What i am looking for is bringing more citizens into the decision making , eliminating parties and end corruption. You know with the internet you can have a referendum inside a day and there is no purpose lobbying/bribing door to door .

 

Referendum is tyranny of the masses, the minority interest will be crushed.

Parties help candidates of moderate means address a nation. Without them, only the rich can get access. Ever see a successful Independent that isn't super wealthy?

I agree we should limit the federal government as much as possible. We share that common ground. In that society at least you could have a big union city like Detroit, and I can have my small town low tax Martin County, and we don't have to send so much taxes to the government.

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Referendum is tyranny of the masses, the minority interest will be crushed.

Parties help candidates of moderate means address a nation. Without them, only the rich can get access. Ever see a successful Independent that isn't super wealthy?

I agree we should limit the federal government as much as possible. We share that common ground. In that society at least you could have a big union city like Detroit, and I can have my small town low tax Martin County, and we don't have to send so much taxes to the government.

 

Minority in which proposal ? because you know you can never be minority in everything every time and if in a highly hypothetical case you are you can always move on in an area where the political customs are more to your liking.

This is a joke right? you have PRIVATE SPONSORED elections and a (*)(*)(*)(*)load of people lobbying .
You don't need parties where everyone directly participates in decision making .

It is not about taxation as it is about being more flexible and have decisions taken from people that are directly affected by them, what is this state up your north Oregon ? if they don't want a pipeline there will be no pipeline , others may want to ban abortions , or guns , or make heterosexual marriage illegal let them have it. Also when you have several state entities running under different systems and making various choices you are setting up a rulebook in what works and what doesn't , what variables should be taken into consideration PLUS small entities can correct mistakes fast.

If we can agree on that then we can jump on the next stage : no elections

 

The left defends the government to the death and the right defends corporate America to the death. No one seems to make the connection that they are one in the same. After all, large corporations are nothing more than mini governments. It's so insane that the left now defends the right of government to mandate me to buy corporate health care. Now corporate America sets my tax rates, courtesy of Obamacare, and all the left can say is that it will be OK since this will lead to socialized medicine eventually.

Idiots.

 

Exactly. Which is why individuals should have the power. They will agree with themselves, and there is no need for them to sacrifice for someone's else's beliefs. That is why a republican constitutional government is better then a democracy. Which is why we live in this country, it is just starting to go the wrong way.

There is so much money in lobbying government because government has so much to give. We are expanding the military industrial complex to every frontier, Government Motors, "Green Energy Investing" etc... the investments we have made into medicine and the tinkering this government does gives lobbyist many incentives to buy favor.

Yes it is. This is where they get the money that is sought after by lobbyists, that is where they get the power to meddle

Agreed. That is why I am a small federal government state's rights guy. Glad I have company. I just think that even at the local level businesses and individuals are smaller entities and can fix problems faster by delivering solutions people voluntarily choose to accept. But you can have a local government controlled city too if people agree to it, that is fine, as long as you do not ask for resources from outside your borders for regular maintenance. Emergencies excepted of course. I can trust you will be voting Republican next time around?

One thing I will say though, is that those areas with the most government control tend to be the most violent, are becoming poorer, and the cost of living tends to be the highest. Google "California Exoduse who is really leaving" and you will find a lot of information about how big government socialism even at the local level hurts lower income people more then the rich.

 

There seem to be three groups of people today and it's not dems, reps and independents, its two groups bound by their ideology playing tug of war with their propaganda and the rest of us who see the bigger picture. The government is nowhere near ok but I can't talk about the ignorance of assuming reducing it for the sake of reducing it will solve anything without being labeled this that or the other thing. The inefficiency of the government is a symptom of a much bigger disease.

 

What corporation though without government power can force you to buy?

 

The only people who need not less but NO official government are the people who do all the work. The problem is that they have to destroy capitalism and get the lying thieves off their backs first. It is the thieves who own the government, but they have to pretend to believe otherwise because their government has to pretend to be democratic and take account of ordinary people's needs. Some hopes!

 

What capitalist corporation allowed you to post here today on this I server? It seems they worked.

There is a reason all the richest countries in the world with the highest standards of living are all capitalist, and the ones that are growing fastest are going towards capitalism. I will take Chile's future over Venezuela's any day.

 

Depends whether you are a slave or a slave-master, of course. How much have you put on your chances? Ordinary people in the US are getting steadily poorer, as you know.