Son of God: Adam, Jesus, neither, both?

[Luke 3:38] Kenan was the son of Enosh. Enosh was the son of Seth. Seth was the son of Adam. Adam was the son of God.

But the Bible says Jesus PBUH was the only son of God.

[John 3:16] For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

So who is it, Jesus or Adam, peace be upon them both?

Quran says God does not have a son.

[Surat al-Jinn 72:3] And [it teaches] that exalted is the nobleness of our Lord; He has not taken a wife or a son

So, is it Jesus SA, Adam SA, neither or both?

 

What does it say in Psalm 82:6 = I, the Most High God, say that all of you are gods and also my own children.

 

Had me going for like a second.
Adam was created, Jesus was born. So if you believe in the bible then it's easy to see how Jesus is son, Adam is a clay pot or artificial creation.

 

Who says it in Psalm 82:6. I mean who is it speaking? There are stuff in the bible that God didn't say, someone else said them. This might be one of them.

 

But the Bible says Adam PBUH was Gods son, not clay pot or creation. Son.

We are all created by God. Adam PBUH was created first. Jesus PBUH was created. I was created. You were created. You might think it differently if you believe in only evolution, but from a creationist perspective everybody is created.

 

Okay, care to elaborate on that?

 

You keep typing the letters PBUH like they mean something.

 

This was an Assyrian or Babylonia emperor speaking to his chief ministers and giving them the power of life and death over their subjects. He was sharing his power with them to rule his empire. He was also reminding them that he retained ultimate power and would kill them if they got out of hand.

 

Peace Be Upon Him.

 

I'm sure different denominations and different people will have different interpretations, but a popular one is that it's actually supposed to say "only begotten son", whereas Adam and the rest of humanity are children in a lesser sense (in lack of better words). If one creates a robot, one can probably feel an emotion of love towards that robot, but one is more likely to feel stronger love for an actual child.

That being said, different translations translate the phrase differently, so other interpretations will think differently.

 

That's part of the problem with asking for an answer from "Christians". There are so many denominations that the answer may be different for several ones. Then, of course, you get people who find it harder to explain their ideas for fear of having other Christians tear their ideas apart. It can be very sad, really.

 

Thats because it does (See YukonBloamie's post)

I'm sorry but I don't see how that relates to the topic.

I would expect different answers, I just though this would be an interesting topic to discuss, a change from the usual discussion in this section...

From what I understand, with John 3:16, the translation from Greek to English is where the "only son"/"only begotten son" different interpretations come in.

Monogene can be translated to only, one and only, and only begotten.

Some translations also say God told David PBUH that He made David his begotten son also (Psalms 2:7).




Don't be afraid to answer for fear of what others will think, never let that fear hold you back from sharing your opinion and beliefs.

 

Alright. Let me see how long this lasts.

According to my beliefs, we are all the sons and daughters of God. It can be a little confusing, but our Father in Heaven gave birth to our spirits, along with out Heavenly Mother. Our physical bodies were created by him, so in part we are "clay pots" on the outside - but inside we are his children. This is why people like Adam or David could be called God's sons, because spiritually they were.

Jesus was different though. He was born of a virgin, but he is the literal son of God. I'm not sure exactly how that works, God's ways are not my ways, but Jesus was different, sort of a demi-god I think, though that is my speculation and my faith says very little on the subject.

That's my two cents.

 

good call, i agree.

nature is 'god' itself and we are all, its children.

ie.... the light of all that exists, is the light (electromagnetic) of all life.

Postulate; no 2 elements can combine to make even a single molecule without em in one form or another.

crude, but fair once comprehending what (who) god is (mother nature, herself) and the life (light) of all that exists

we are all 'literal' children of god and i see the idea of women having children as 'virgins' as an old prophecy. Meaning, when the time of 'the last word' is upon the earth, that women will be able to have children and be virgins.

And today's period is that time: test tube babies

It is why from hercules to krishna and even a jesus was conceived by women via 'a god'.

ie.... knowledge is the 'how' (not magic)

As you were fair, so was I.

Each can contribute to unveil

 

It's a definition problem that has gone through translations and have become a translation problem in addition to that.

If someone is considered the father of a subject, that doesn't mean he had intercourse with someone who later physically gave birth to the field. Nor does Father as in priest imply that. Thus, there is a conflict of definitions, and at best, it's a mess, at worst, an incomprehensible mess.

 

I read this earlier...

Adam PBUH was created from neither man or woman.

Eve PBUH was created from a man.

Jesus PBUH was created from a woman.

All 3 of these were miracles, but, why is only Jesus PBUH the son of God.

It should seem Adam PBUH was, as well, and Eve PBUH was the daughter?

 

But Jesus was created, like Adam was. God just said "Be" and they "be'd". Or should I say "became"... Anyway...

Thanks I don't see any way somebody could insult you for thinking that.

Honest question, who is the Heavenly Mother? Mary pBUH?

 

a 'god' didnt say, anything

just disclose that it is a belief, not fact. Then it is not 'false witness'

Fair?

nope.

Mother nature! FACT!

 

there's the disclosure. ie.... You read it some place

not that you reasoned it thru, or that 'god' told you or that it is 'fact'

the first life, evolved from 'god's' body (nature itself)

the first life, divided, just like cell division, and the next generations were born from the first life.

FACT!

just like you were. FACT!

no such thing as miracles and we are all 'children of 'god' (nature)'

FACT!

Metaphorically, that is correct.

ie... the first life, came from the dust (elements), the cell divided and from that first life, all are the children of 'god' (nature itself)


that is the clean or FACTUAL approach.

ie... not even the gabby angel(s) and/or muhammad could comprehend such, in their time, But you can!

FACT!

 

I can't really say, because we believe that somehow Jesus was created differently, though we're not sure how, God hasn't explained that to us. Besides that, Jesus has a different place than Adam. We believe that there was a life before this one, where we lived with God, only without bodies - as spirits. There was a grand council, where God told us about this life, and asked us if we would like to be tested, to see if we would be faithful if we forgot that premortal time with him. Two people stood up and spoke to all the spirits besides God. First was Satan, then called Lucifer, who we believe was like us back then. He proposed that he would make sure that we were all faithful, that we would have no choice to stray, but only to return to Heaven to live with Heavenly Father. Jesus stood up though, and stood with Heavenly Father's original plan, that we would be able to choose whether to do good or evil and by that we would either return to Heavenly Father or not. Satan was angry, and tried to rebel. There was a war where a third of all the spirits in heaven left with Satan and became lost.

Sometime near there, though we're not sure whether it was during that time or sometime after, Heavenly Father told us that if we sinned we wouldn't be able to come back to him. That was when Jesus volunteered to be the one to go live a sinless life, with Heavenly Father's help, and sacrifice himself to pay the debt all of our sins would give us. In exchange, if we would accept him and repent of our sins, we would be able to make mistakes, but still return to Heaven. That's what make's Jesus different from Adam. That's all I can really say, because there are many things that God has yet to reveal to us.

As for Heavenly Mother, she is the Mother of our spirits, equal to our Heavenly Father in power. We believe, though this isn't exact doctrine, that she works with Heavenly Father in the world, but he keeps her name out of it, to protect her from evil men. There are people who insult God's name often, and so he keeps her a secret, to keep her from being attacked in the same way that he is.

And these above comments are usually when people start to slander my religion.

 

I believe that Jesus is the Only begotten Son of God.

We are created beings of God and the children of God by adoption.

 

bad medicine

jesus was adopted to the house of joseph, per matthew

In that, jesus could not be a decendent of david, per the lineage chain rendered in matthew 1.

ie.... if joseph did not father, jesus, then jesus aint of the bloodline

The miracle; joseph used compassion to assist in his CHOICE, to take in a women laiden with child, against his religious belief (they stone unwed women that have sex, in them days of their religious adherance)

'its' a miracle'

 

Jesus Christ is The Son of God, the second Person of the Trinity or Godhead. He, The Son, became a man, placed in the womb of the virgin Mary by the Holy Spirit.

Adam was a son of God in that he was a direct creation and of God.

Though Adam and others can be called sons of God, as those who are born-again are also sons of God, to Jesus Christ alone is the title 'only begotten Son of God'. Why? Because Jesus Christ is the Covenant Son. He is the One in whom all the promises are found.

You have the same thing occurring with Abraham and his sons. Abraham had several sons. Most importantly Isaac and Ishmael. Yet God called Isaac the 'only son'.

Gen.22:2 "And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, ...." why? Because Isaac is the covnant son. The one in whom all the promises of the Abrahamic covenant are found.

Quantrill

 

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Very very good true medicine brother Independent 77. Also Quantrill and I agree on this subject, at least more than not! However, I have noticed that in this thread many take issue with scriptural syntax as if it could change the meaning of the verse etc. this seems especially true when it concerns the title of Jesus ie the son of man etc etc. In my opinion the soundness of a theological concept doesn't depend upon the vocabulary used to explain it.

That said, we have reliable historical reasons for thinking that Jesus understood himself to be the Son of God. Not only did he claim to be the son of God , there is other scriptural evdience that shows Jesus himself thought he was the son of God. A good example of this and more can be gleaned from a reading of his (Jesus&#8217;s) parable of the wicked tenants of the vineyard in the book of Mark verses twelve through nineteen. Therein he tells us that Jesus thought of himself as God's ONLY son which is important as he makes himself by that scripture distinct from all the prophets. He also stated in that same scripture that he was God's final messenger and that he was heir of Israel itself. IMO Jesus is a temporal messenger made with as much God that the temporal universe could tolerated. Truthfully to expand on that concept is too long for this thread and would derail it.

reva

 

We are all God's children.